Reply With QuoteGood question. No good answers. Writer of the moment and how they saw them.Originally Posted by MortonStromgal
Figured this out at the HPB today
AD&D 1st edition +1 CON
AD&D 2nd edition +1 INT, -1 WIS
3.0 +2 CON, -2 STR
What the heck mutated them in 2e? and how did they mutate back?
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Good question. No good answers. Writer of the moment and how they saw them.
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Maybe it depends what country they're at ?
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Maybe it depends what country they're at ?
oddly enough, the thumbnail that looks nicely manicured, caught my eye more than the gnome. maybe it's just the glare of the bulb. ^^ although, that gnome is quite humorous. =D
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I'd give 'em a +1 Con, maybe +2, and leave it at that. Thick skin and all.
If i was forced to doc them on a stat, i subtract from Charisma.
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In 3rd Edition they were taller than halflings, who were 3 feet tall.
Gnomes have always been the odd race out: not quite dwarves, not quite halflings. That's probably why 4th "demoted" them.
(CAVEAT: I'm sick of the Tolkien races: tiny burly Vikings, oh-so-wonderful pointy-eared jerks, child-sized sneak thieves, sallow/swarthy evil apemen who aren't a racist/classist stereotype at all, the whole lot. I've thought of tossing "races" entirely except for races of humans, or introducing replacements based on other folklore. There's also my "move one place" idea: dwarfish protectors of the woods and wild places, swarthy and ugly masters of metalworking and delving, and beautiful pointy-eared homicidal maniacs.)
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I'm guessing that is from Amelie
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Au gibet noir, manchot aimable, dansent, dansent les paladins
Les maigres paladins du diable les squelettes de Saladins.
when playing the world setting of my own design, and not the modified greyhawk setting that i use as default for everyone else, i have a whole host of races of my own origin.
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I always thought cat-folk and lizard men should be standard PC races... However I am rethinking the cat-folk as the furries grow. Some of them are fine people, others... well they make the kid who insists hes a real vampire look tame.
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It's not the fault of the cat people. Dude, you going to find flaky people into everything. I have a cat people and coon people. And the possibility of running an "Exotic" a half animal half human. No freaks yet, outside of the usual types that play RPG.
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I'm not really up for cat people, sounds more sci fi to me, but i do like lizard men in my game. Though i've played in so many games over the years, i cant even count the different pc races included. each new dnd game im involved with is a whole new experience. Pretty cool.
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Some topics are like a viral marketing campaign. I would swear there's a "Furry" thread on almost every RPG board lately
Au gibet noir, manchot aimable, dansent, dansent les paladins
Les maigres paladins du diable les squelettes de Saladins.
I think Dragonlance had a part in that decision, and the Tinker Gnome. Smart race that invented many "modern marvels" and yet was not very wise which resulted in many of the inventions malfunctioning. I know that Dragonlance Gnomes are a reason that a lot of people play them hyperactive and speak in run on sentences. Kender influenced a lot of people to play Halflings wrong as well.
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