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    i'm starting this thread for maelstrom. he posted in another thread that he wished the people who did like the new system could have a discussion that didnt degenerate into "WotC bashing", etc.

    So, here we go. use this place to vent, voice negative opinions and generally rant about the current state of our long time favorite game...
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    Thank you! Bash away

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    ***crickets***
    "Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth." - JFK

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    ok, i guess i'll start this:

    flipping through the MM, am i mistaken, or are gnolls "more" evil, somehow, than DEVILS???

    and, where are the good dragons?

    and what's up with "mistakenly called 'ogre magi'?" (i guess gygax was mistaken...)
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    "well, g'night! dont let the flesh eating demon bed babies bite!!"

    No problem, they are lawful good and hang around to protect me from gnolls ever since the metallic dragons all died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engar View Post
    "well, g'night! dont let the flesh eating demon bed babies bite!!"

    No problem, they are lawful good and hang around to protect me from gnolls ever since the metallic dragons all died.
    yep. need that "balance" everyone's going on about.

    the quote is from johnny the homicidal maniac, btw
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    OMG! I just figured it out! I am supposed to cut the "powers" for my class out of the book and use them like Magic cards. "I see your [Reaping Strike: Fighter Attack One] and counter with [Wrathful Thunder: Cleric Attack One] *tosses cut out on table*. Hmmm, I need to go buy some counters if I want to play with a green deck...
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    well, they ARE the people that brought us magic: the affliction...
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    Quote Originally Posted by agoraderek View Post
    flipping through the MM, am i mistaken, or are gnolls "more" evil, somehow, than DEVILS???
    Oooh. I got this one. This makes perfect sense given the alignment definitions. Devils are lawfully bent. They are not set on wanton destruction and chaos. They actually have a rigid system of laws. So, they are indeed just "evil." Whereas demon worshiping Gnolls are "marauders that kill, pillage, and destroy."
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    Hey! This is a board for trashing 4e. There is no place for rationalizations or explanations about bad 4e behavior. Unless of course you are simply luring out the 4e lovers that might post here with a clever psychological trap! Aha! Brilliant!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farcaster View Post
    Oooh. I got this one. This makes perfect sense given the alignment definitions. Devils are lawfully bent. They are not set on wanton destruction and chaos. They actually have a rigid system of laws. So, they are indeed just "evil." Whereas demon worshiping Gnolls are "marauders that kill, pillage, and destroy."
    yeah, but still...

    Quote Originally Posted by Engar View Post
    Hey! This is a board for trashing 4e. There is no place for rationalizations or explanations about bad 4e behavior. Unless of course you are simply luring out the 4e lovers that might post here with a clever psychological trap! Aha! Brilliant!
    i know! they ask us trashers to start a new thread and they're in here trying to lure us to the dark side!!!

    but, hey, at least its more than just you and i posting in here now
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    Oh? Okay, my bad. Thrash away
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farcaster View Post
    Oh? Okay, my bad. Thrash away
    hey, i just started this for maelstrom's benefit. i dont mind a spirited debate on the relative merits of any of the editions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engar View Post
    Hey! This is a board for trashing 4e. There is no place for rationalizations or explanations about bad 4e behavior. Unless of course you are simply luring out the 4e lovers that might post here with a clever psychological trap! Aha! Brilliant!

    Yea clear off, If we wanted someone to defend newsprint we would bash the Wall street Journal

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    Everyone, Fighter, rouge, WIZARD, has the same BAB, and dmg categories, they are all carbon copies, no different except in how you play them

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