Recent Chat Activity (Main Lobby)
Join Chat

Loading Chat Log...

Prefer not to see ads? Become a Community Supporter.
Results 1 to 14 of 14

Thread: Does a spell with only Verbal components provoke AoO

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Sherman Oaks
    Posts
    20
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0

    Does a spell with only Verbal components provoke AoO

    Prefer not to see ads?
    Become a Community Supporter.
    If not, I just caused a TPK. If so, The demon needs to make a few concentration checks and take a few more hits (Might still be a TPK).

    Please site your sources, thanks!

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Acme
    Age
    48
    Posts
    2,813
    Blog Entries
    56
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0
    LOL! Sounds like it may not really make that much of a difference.

    I prefer to say that since the casting is happening at the same time as the actions of everyone else, it would not provoke AoO. The thing that does come into play is that the time taken to cast the spell may allow for someone to make an attack that would disrupt the concentration of the caster upon a successful hit.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Seattle
    Age
    47
    Posts
    587
    Blog Entries
    73
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0
    I agree with cplmac

    Incarna; Role-Playing Game System
    www.incarna.net
    Running: 3+ campaigns set in single custom milieu world.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Sherman Oaks
    Posts
    20
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0
    It turns out that casting a spell provokes an attack of opportunity regardless of components. See table 8-2 of 3.5 players Handbook.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Prattville
    Age
    52
    Posts
    840
    Blog Entries
    4
    Downloads
    3
    Uploads
    0
    I agree - PHB is pretty clear - no matter what components, it still provokes an AoO.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    St. Petersburg
    Posts
    347
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0
    PHB, pg 140 and 141:

    Yes, it provokes an AoO if it is takes 1 standard action in casting time.
    No, quickened spell (pg. 141 and 98)

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    West Jordan
    Posts
    5,228
    Blog Entries
    43
    Downloads
    2
    Uploads
    0
    unfortunately, while it would seem that someone speaking a few words of arcane gibble-gabble shouldn't provoke the same reaction, or even allow the same amount of reaction time as making mystical passes with the hands and fetching a material component... the rules do not distinguish. thus any spellcasting will provoke, unless that casting is quickened, a swift action or an immediate action, if i recall correctly.

    however, that would be a perfectly legitimate house rule that would make sense.
    nijineko the gm: AG16, CoS. nijineko the player: AtG, RttToH; . The Journal of Tala'elowar Kiyiik! .
    CrystalBallLite: the best dice roller on the planet! . nijineko the archivist: the 3.x archive

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    St. Petersburg
    Posts
    347
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0
    I could see (and understand) the sonic type spells being house ruled for no AoO. As long as there are no other spell components.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Garland
    Posts
    579
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by cplmac View Post
    I prefer to say that since the casting is happening at the same time as the actions of everyone else, it would not provoke AoO. The thing that does come into play is that the time taken to cast the spell may allow for someone to make an attack that would disrupt the concentration of the caster upon a successful hit.
    If we say "Concentration" is the reason why a Mage may provoke an AoO while casting, then I would say YES. Verbal Casting does provoke an AoO.

    Let us use an analogy. You are Driving your Car in Heavy Fast Traffic. You can talk on your cellphone with a "free hands" (Verbal Components Only) or you could be "texting" (Somatic Components). Both take some of your attention from the road although not by the same amount.

    But realize that in a DnD fight, the opponent is probably a pretty good, experience combatant, which means he will take advantage of any small opportunity that you give him. So by not having your FULL Attention on him, you are providing a possible opening.
    Saluti
    Carlos

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    St. Petersburg
    Posts
    347
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Dimthar View Post
    If we say "Concentration" is the reason why a Mage may provoke an AoO while casting, then I would say YES. Verbal Casting does provoke an AoO.

    Let us use an analogy. You are Driving your Car in Heavy Fast Traffic. You can talk on your cellphone with a "free hands" (Verbal Components Only) or you could be "texting" (Somatic Components). Both take some of your attention from the road although not by the same amount.

    But realize that in a DnD fight, the opponent is probably a pretty good, experience combatant, which means he will take advantage of any small opportunity that you give him. So by not having your FULL Attention on him, you are providing a possible opening.
    Great example. I think the somatic component of texting (driving with your knees) would be a standard or a full round action. The hands free would be more of a quicken spell to standard action.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Elk River
    Posts
    1
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0
    Dimthar is absolutely correct... You have to understand that for the same reasons initiating certain special manuevers (ie. trip, disarm, bull-rush) causes an attack of opportunity, so too will casting a spell, regardless of it's components...
    If your attention is drawn to anything else for a split second, the trained combatant can and will take advantage of your opening...

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Winter Haven
    Age
    41
    Posts
    833
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0
    Thread necro!
    "If riding in an airplane is flying, then riding in a boat is swimming. If you want to experience the element, then get out of the vehicle...SKYDIVE!"


  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Acme
    Age
    48
    Posts
    2,813
    Blog Entries
    56
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0

    Question Question (raising hand into air)

    I based my answer on the combat initiative used in 2E. The casting time of the spell is used for the initiative roll. Since it is part of the combat round/turn, there is no AoO due to being in melee already. Does this hold true for 3.x also, or is the system different?

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    West Jordan
    Posts
    5,228
    Blog Entries
    43
    Downloads
    2
    Uploads
    0
    the system is different. in 3e, you cast a spell you provoke. period. there are ways around it: casting defensively (requires skill check), and using clever movement, and using feats or other class abilities to mask the fact that casting is taking place. otherwise a caster (or manifester) provokes an aoo.

    the theory is that the caster or manifester is momentarily distracted while marshaling the powers needed. here's the link: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm
    Last edited by nijineko; 08-26-2009 at 06:35 PM.
    nijineko the gm: AG16, CoS. nijineko the player: AtG, RttToH; . The Journal of Tala'elowar Kiyiik! .
    CrystalBallLite: the best dice roller on the planet! . nijineko the archivist: the 3.x archive

Similar Threads

  1. help with spell/infusion
    By Blue Phoenix in forum 3.x Edition & Pathfinder
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-22-2009, 03:55 PM
  2. What's Wrong with Spell Points?
    By JSorenson1979 in forum Dungeons & Dragons
    Replies: 40
    Last Post: 05-03-2008, 02:17 PM
  3. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 04-18-2008, 12:01 AM
  4. Spell Points over spell slots
    By upidstay in forum Dungeons & Dragons
    Replies: 32
    Last Post: 02-10-2008, 06:27 AM
  5. Material Components (Spells & Magic Items)
    By Dimthar in forum Dungeons & Dragons
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 01-11-2008, 11:09 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •