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Thread: Canadian healthcare: good, bad, or mediocre?

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    Canadian healthcare: good, bad, or mediocre?

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    After just now watching a commercial attempting to portray the Canadian healthcare system as a horrible place to get sick, I'd like to hear from some actual Canadians on the topic.

    The commercial claimed as example the story of an unnamed woman who says she waited 6 months to have "[her] brain tumor taken care of."

    This commercial also stated that Canadians do not have access to the same number and quality of medications as we in the US do because, and I quote, "the Canadian Government doesn't think its citizens matter."

    Uh, WHAT?! This is just more Republican crapdickery, right?

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    One of my best friends is Canadian. I told him about this thread so he can chime in. Basically, it is really bad, especially if you're older or your problem is serious. He has alot to say regarding this issue.
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    The particular ad you mention sounds like, well, an ad (30 second spots are not known for getting much real information across). What was this an ad for, though? I find it hard to believe there'd be a spot about why Canadian healthcare blows if it isn't trying to either promote a candidate for something, or to oppose Obama's proposed healthcare reform. If it's the former, the guy is probably not going to win on that platform, but if it's that latter, I am going to agree with it in principle even if how it tells its message is, well... bad.

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    I have not a clue. I don't live there and therefor do not deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by korhal23 View Post
    The particular ad you mention sounds like, well, an ad (30 second spots are not known for getting much real information across). What was this an ad for, though? I find it hard to believe there'd be a spot about why Canadian healthcare blows if it isn't trying to either promote a candidate for something, or to oppose Obama's proposed healthcare reform. If it's the former, the guy is probably not going to win on that platform, but if it's that latter, I am going to agree with it in principle even if how it tells its message is, well... bad.
    Ah yes the Cato Institute, there's nothing like quoting an ultra-conservative, Far-right extremist group masquerading as genuine libertarianism to give me confidence in your opinion.

    Thanks, but no.

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    I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and i've been around the world so i've had some experience with medicine globally... i'm no expert though. And i don't live in Canada, and do not know whats gone on with their health care system in the last few years. Canadian medicine seems to get good reviews for standard health monitoring... its not preventative, but it seems to catch a lot of conditions and people get diagnosis in time. They lack the massive base of specialist that the US has though, and it is in part due to simple economics - the specialists cannot charge the same as their US counterpart (to an extent) so there's less economic incentive to take the schooling and go into those practices... Its very complicated, and i don't want to over-simplify it... but the 2 canadian friends i had while i was a consultant basically said its a great place to be sick, unless you are REALLY sick. I got sick in Canada (flu) and was WELL taken care of - got in right away, got meds, got follow up. Getting really sick then - for my friends - the U.S is spectacular in terms of critical treatments and specialty care... its just $$$. In the late 1990's the Canadian health care system threatened to backrupt the country... its still used as a pointer as to why socialized health care does not work. Its a false pointer for many reasons, but i won't go into that. There's not really a good answer to health care - no nation in the situation america finds itself in can really afford it as a national cost, yet health care is out of control...

    I have a lot of arguments with people who claim health care is not a right, its a privelage. To some extent that is true, but basic health care should be affordable, and really, don't you want to live in a world where having be a right is a goal? sounds noble - getting there's a whole other issue - but I submit that maybe its a better goal than some we are following...

    Now i'm rambling, but there you go, my 2 cents...

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    I would recommend watching Sicko. Yes it is Michael Moore so he does take some liberties but I felt that this latest was much better then Fahrenheit or Bowling. It was much closer to Roger and Me as far as good quality documentary film making. Even if their health care system is not as good at high end Procedures, something I am not convinced of, it still has a better median health coverage than what we have in the states. It may not be perfect but it is better than all the suffering that happens here.

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    He lied in Sicko, and got called on it even by the Canadians(media folks). He lied about Cuba as well. I realize the left loves this guy, but please, check his work. The man has no integrity. What bothers me about this guy is that many wanted to debate him(even from the left) regarding this liefest of a movie, and he refused!

    When folks with serious health problems in other parts of the world, they don't choose Canada or Cuba, they choose America, and for good reason.

    This is not to say we don't have serious issues here, we do, but so does everyone else. It's about give and take. I'd rather have 'serious' problems here than anywhere else.

    Bearfoot Adam, please note that i have nothing but respect for you, it's the movie i don't care for. So please don't misconstrue my comments towards the movie as an attack on your person, for those aren't my intentions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoth-Amon View Post
    He lied in Sicko, and got called on it even by the Canadians(media folks). He lied about Cuba as well. I realize the left loves this guy, but please, check his work. The man has no integrity. What bothers me about this guy is that many wanted to debate him(even from the left) regarding this liefest of a movie, and he refused!

    When folks with serious health problems in other parts of the world, they don't choose Canada or Cuba, they choose America, and for good reason.

    This is not to say we don't have serious issues here, we do, but so does everyone else. It's about give and take. I'd rather have 'serious' problems here than anywhere else.
    I would be very interested to see your non-partisan sources. (ie Not the Cato Institute or any of the other Republican/conservative leaning "think tanks" set up primarily to be mouthpieces that don't have the word Conservative in them.)

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    You assume alot, which discredits you. I never mentioned conservatism, republican, or anything else pertaining to the right.
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    As stated he does take liberties, often Gross liberties, especially in Fahrenheit and Bowling. However I felt that Sicko (the Cuba scenes aside) was slightly more balanced.

    Sicko aside. I still feel that Canada's, and other nations, have a superior health system to ours. Yes many come here for treatment of serious ailments however we do go north to get prescription medicine. I am looking at the median level of care. (essentially the most good for the most people) and it seems Canada is above us in that regard. What I am pleased to know is that finally both sides of Government have realized that our current health care system does not work. I strongly believe in social programs and I feel that a social health care system will be the most efficient way to provide that greatest level of care to the greatest number of people.

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    Well, whether i like social health care or not, i will deal with it for that is the direction America is going in. It is my belief that we will see it in the next 4-8 years, here.

    Don't misunderstand, there are aspects i like, i just also have serious concerns. i guess that describes most of us, though. As long as no one takes away my gaming, I'll be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoth-Amon View Post
    You assume alot, which discredits you. I never mentioned conservatism, republican, or anything else pertaining to the right.
    I didn't assume anything. You didn't mention the right at all, no, but you certainly used the phrase "the left" like a baseball bat.

    Moreover, the previous poster to take your stance quoted a Cato Institute report, and I'm discounting that on the basis of that group's widely known political stances.

    I'm asking if you have non-partisan sources. Do you or not?

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    The left does love this guy(not an accusation, but an accepted fact), and if you missed all the investigative reporting and his avoiding of important questions regarding his film, then that's on you. Deal with it.

    And if you want to know more, be proactive. Otherwise,
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