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Tony Misfeldt
02-04-2008, 06:28 PM
I started this discussion on a couple of other gaming websites and the opinions and such were quite interesting. I figured, as this is an international site, the opinions and such might be a little more diverse. Again, I think it's a fun and interesting discission. So what are your thoughts on the D&D movies? What changes would you have made if it were up to you to write them? What D&D novels would you like to see turned into movies? The first two D&D movies were meant to be the first two thirds of a trilogy. How do you think the third movie should be written? All opinions and points of view are valid, so don't be shy and let it all hang out.

DUNGEONS & DRAGONS: THE MOVIE

Personally, like many people I know, I think the first D&D movie sucked! There was just so much that was wrong with that movie it's hard to know where to begin. However, I own a copy of it on DVD (it's D&D and it was on sale) so I've seen it with both the feature length comentaries as well as all the deleted and extended or incompleted scenes. And I'd have to say that if they were ever to re-edit the film, completing and adding in several of the lost scenes, and rerelease it on DVD as an "Extended Edition Director's Cut", it would be almost watchable. These are the changes that have to be made...

1) One of my biggest problems with this movie was that they never gave the dwarf a name. The entire movie he was called either "him" or "the dwarf". Turns out that he actually does have a name, they just left it on the proverbial "cutting room floor" due to "time constraints". The characters name was Elwood Gutworthy. There was a scene in the sewers just after the four main characters escaped Damodar and The Crimson Brigade where he introduces himself. As this would be an extended cut, time constraints wouldn't be an issue and the scene should deffinately be edited back in.

2) There was supposed to be a running gag in the fight scenes in the bar and the Thieves Guild where Elwood's helmet would get knocked off and he would go berserk and kick some serious butt. These scenes were also cut out due to time constraints, but I think putting them back in would make those fight scenes more entertaining. Again, this is an extended director's cut, so time constraints are meaningless.

3) There was an unfinished scene of Marena and Riddley inside the magic scroll. This scene was cut due to budget, and the director thought that the important information gets relayed to Snailz later in the film and therefore didn't need to be repeated by the wraith. But there was a part of the scene where Marena and Riddley were arguing where Riddley tells her of his fathers unfair treatment at the hands of the Mages Council, thus revealing the root of his hatred of the mages and also shattering the foundations of Marena's entire belief system. All in all, a very emotional scene which deserved to be in the finished film.

4) There was a scene just after Snailz was killed, where Norda is consoling Marena. She says something along the lines of "You grieve for Riddley. I grieve too, for his kind hearted friend. But all is not lost. If we can make it to The Elven Forrest in time, he may yet be saved." The scene was cut due to time constraints, but deserves to be put into the extended cut.

5) There was an unfinished scene during the battle between the gold dragons and Profion and his supporters from the Mages Council that was cut due to budget. E. Gary Gygax was playing one of the mages. I would finish the scene and edit it back in for that reason alone.

6) The ending with Riddley and the others at Snailz's grave was actually shot a year after the movie was finished. Originally the ending had Riddley in the graveyard alone, and after a tearful goodbye walking off to his knighting cerimony. The producers felt it was too serious an ending and ordered a new "happier" ending be shot. I saw the original ending and I have to say I much prefer the original to the rewrite.

DUNGEONS & DRAGONS II: WRATH OF THE DRAGON GOD

I put off watching this movie for a very long time. When I finally broke down and bought a copy (it was part of the same sale as the first one) I was very surprised. I liked it! I really, really liked it! It wasn't perfect by any means. There was certainly room for improvement. But the writing was infinately superior to the first movie, and the actors took their rolls very seriously (reading Players Handbooks, Monsters Manuals, and DMGs between shoots, etc). There were a few minor changes I would have made to the characters, casting, wardrobe, script, etc. But on the whole I thought they did an excellent job! Here are the changes I would have made...

BEREK THE FIGHTER: First thing about Berek is I would have made him a paladin rather than just a plain fighter. There are three reasons for this. One, it opens up the party to more racial diversity (there are too many damn humans in this movie). Two, it opens up the party to more class diversity (someone else could be the plain fighter). And three, it opens up the party to more magic items (I would have given Berek The Paladin a Holy Avenger and given the Vorpal Sword to Lux). I also would have given Berek the same surname as Riddley's in the first movie (I think it was Freemantle), thus indicating to the observant viewer that he is a desendant of Riddley's (and presumably also Marena's). As for casting, while the actor who played Berek did an admirable job, I would have cast Cary Elwes (Saw, The Princess Bride, Robin Hood: Men In Tights). He's a fine actor and a skilled swordsman.

LUX THE BARBARIAN: Of all the characters, Lux is the one I have the most problems with. First there's her wardrobe, it's too civilized. I didn't even realize she was supposed to be a barbarian until Berek's wife said the line "The barbarian is certainly beautiful." When dressing a barbarian for a fantasy adventure film like D&D, less is more (especially when the barbarian in question is female). I would have put her in a fur bikini, mukluks (Boots Of The North), a sword belt, an ornate set of (enchanted) bracers (Bracers Of Defence), and a fur cloak (possibly of Winter Wolf hide or a Cloak Of Protection). As for the actress who portrayed Lux, she didn't seem to have the look of a fantasy barbarian. She's beautiful, and may be athletic in a cheerleader sort of way. But even in proper attire she wouldn't be very intimidating or barbaric. I would have cast former WWE Diva and two time Playboy covergirl Joanie Laurer (aka "The Ninth Wonder Of The World" Chyna) in the role. Or if you want someone just as buff but less well known, former Miss Olympia Corinna Everson (she played Atalanta on Hercules: The Legendary Journies). Or if you want someone more conventionally beautiful, Victoria Pratt, who played an amazon on a couple of episodes of Xena: Warrior Princess and played Sarge in the (blessedly) short lived TV series Cleopatra 2525.

ORMALINE THE ELVEN MAGE: The actress who played Ormaline did a fantastic job and the character was very well written. The only change I would make to this character is to recast her with an A List actress. I would choose either Kristen Kruek (Smallville) or Lexa Doig (Andromeda). They both have a very exotic beauty which makes them perfect to playing elves. Liv Tyler (The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy) would also be a good choice.

DORIAN THE CLERIC: Dorian was very well written, and the actor who portrayed him did a fine job. He was played with strength, intelligence, wisdom, and compassion, exactly as a cleric of a goodly god should be. But if I were to recast the role with a known actor, I would have to go with Liam Neeson. He exhibited all those same qualities when he played Qui-Gon Jin in Star Wars Episode I: The Franchise Menace, as well as when he played Aslan in The Chronicles Of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe.

NIM THE ROGUE: Nim is another character that would require an entire rewrite. Not because he was poorly written or cast. Again, I really liked the writing and think all the actors did a fantastic job. But there were too damn many humans in this movie! Therefore I would have written Nim as a halfling (a little cliche, I know, but apropriate). The actor who played Nim might be short, but he's not small enough to play a halfling. Thus I would have cast Warwick Davis in the role (Willow, Star Wars Episode I & VI, Harry Potter I - IV, Leprichaun I - V). He's well known, he loves the genre, he's a fine actor, and unlike most people born with dwarfism he has long fingers. If he's unavailable, I'd have cast Vern "Mini-Me" Troyer (the Austin Powers movies and TV's Jack Of All Trades). He's probably more well known among the younger movie goers, but I haven't seen him in anything other than comedies so I don't know how seriously he'd take the role. My other two picks for the role of Nim would have required an even larger rewrite, turning he into a she (and maybe giving her a more feminine sounding name, like Nymara or something). My first female pick for the role of the halfling rogue is Debbie Lee Carrington, who many of you might remember as Thumbelina, the blonde midget hooker in the Schwarzenegger flick Total Recall. My second choice is former adult film star, Bridget "The Midget" Powerz. Last I heard she gave up doing porn to front a punk rock band, but she might have said yes to a ligitimate acting gig. After casting a little person in the role of the halfling rogue, all they'd have to do is get the WETA Workshop to fit them with some hobbit feet.

ELWOOD GUTWORTHY THE DWARVEN FIGHTER: See, I told you making Berek a paladin would open up the party to more classes and races. I would have written Elwood back into the story both to add more races to the party other than human, as well as for tactical purposes. As he was part of the original party that defeated him 100 years earlier, he has insight into Damodar's tactics and abilities. Besides, he's one of the only members of the original party who don't consider a single century that long of an amount of time, since dwarves live for about 400 years. As for casting, I would have to go with Lee Arenberg, who played Elwood in the original. Not only is he familiar with the character, but it helps with film continuity. If Lee is unable to take the role, then I'd go with the Bret Beatty who was the scale double for John Rhyse Davies during the Lord Of The Rings Trilogy. He's 4'9", has a blackbelt in karate, is a classically trained actor, and a licenced stuntman. Or if they can't get him, maybe Hornswoggle from WWE Monday Night RAW. He's also the right size and a capable athlete.

NORDA THE ELVEN RANGER: Another example of how making Berek a paladin rather than a fighter opens up the party to more classes and races. Norda would be enlisted for the same reasons as Elwood, her personal knowledge of Damodar and his tactics. Plus, as an elf she also is the only member of the original party who lives for several centuries. The role of Norda should have been given to Kristen Wilson, who played Norda in the first movie, for continuity sake. If she were unable to take the role, then I'd suggest iether Lexa Doig, Kristen Kruek, or Liv Tyler (whichever one didn't take the role of Ormaline).

Those are all the changes I would have made to the casting of the sequel. Here are the changes I would have made to the script itself...

LUX'S BERSERKER RAGE: I've never made any attempt to hide my dislike of the new 3rd Edition rule that all anyone needs to go berserk is a set of wolfskin underwear and a horned helmet, and I stand by my opinion on that. That's not what this is about though. Wrath Of The Dragon God was written using the 3rd Edition core rule books as its template, I understand and accept that. However, regardless of whether you're using 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Edition as your reference material, there is a world of difference between using a berserker's rage in game and translating that onto the screen. In the game you simply tell your DM that you're going berserk and then make the necessary adjustments on your character sheet. On film, it has to be more dramatic. I didn't even know Lux was supposed to be in the midst of a berserker rage until Ormaline had to knock her on her ass with a lightning bolt and shout "Barbarian! Get a hold of yourself!" Here are the changes I would have made to that scene...

1) When the brigands are running down the hill and Lux is waiting to meet them, she should have been taking deep breaths, snarling, growling, foaming at the mouth (an effect easily achieved by putting a couple of Alka Seltzer tablets in your mouth and letting the frothing saliva drip down you face).

2) She should have been performing feats of superhuman strength during the battle. Launching men 6 feet in the air with a kick to the googlies (that's Joss Whedon speak for a kick to the groin), picking a man up by the throat one handed and throwing him 10 feet into a group of his comrades, etc.

3) Some of the bandits attacks should have gotten through her defences only to bounce off the protective shield provided by her Bracers Of Defence.

4) Some of the bandits attacks should have gotten through her defences causing what should be a crippling wound, which she totally ignores. A bandit shatters her shoulder with a solid hit with a morning star. Another bandit drives his spear into her hip. Another bandit stabs her in the gut with a short sword. She ignores them all and just cuts down the offending brigands.

5) Once safely inside Malek's Vault, Lux collapses due to her exhaustion and the numerous wounds she had suffered. Berek has to use all of his paladin healing powers to heal her wounds so she can continue.

THE FINDING OF THE VORPAL SWORD: This scene was never shot due to budgetting problems. Originally, after the party had passed the room with the Dark Mantels they entered a long hallway (if you look closely you'll see the sword he fights off the Dark Mantels with and the one he smashes through the wall with are completely different). The floor at the far end of the hallway starts to rise like a drawbridge while the rest of the floor starts to retract to dump the occupants into a spiked pit. Each member of the party takes a running leap across the widening pit. Berek went last, almost falling into the pit. As he was dangling by the drawbridge he saw a skeleton with a Vorpal Sword lying in the pit, and at the last possible second he reached into the pit and retrieved the sword. That's how it was written. Instead of cutting the scene completely, I would have rewritten it in a more cost effective way. Here's how I would have written it...

1) As I said above, I would have given the Vorpal Sword to Lux. Rather than have her find it in The Vault, I would have given it to the Bandit Leader. When he sees how powerful Lux is, he drinks a Potion Of Super Heroism, a Potion Of Strength, and a Potion Of Speed (essentially giving him the benefits of a berserker's rage). He then draws his Vorpal Sword and charges down the hill to attack. He and Lux have a brief but fast and furious duel (somewhat akin to Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker's duel in Revenge Of The S#!t, but not as long). The bandit leader cuts right through Lux's sword while parrying one of her attacks. He has her dead to rights, but before he can strike the final blow Ormaline nails him with a lightning bolt. The potions he imbibed earlier allow him to shrug off the worst of the effects, leaving him stunned (it's more like being shot with a tazer than being struck by lightning). Lux wrenches the Vorpal Sword from his grasp and cuts him in two, literally. Lux then cuts down more brigands until Ormaline knocks her on her ass and shouts "Barbarian, get ahold of yourself!"

2) Before the room with the Dark Mantels, I would have put a guard room which is littered with the skeletal remains of a score of goblins and one human in plate armour with a goblin sword in his chest. While Nim and Elwood search the bodies for anything valuable, Berek, Norda, and the others deduce what happened here. Apparently, a paladin had made it to the guard room and engaged the goblin guards in battle. He slew most of them, but the last one got in a lucky shot. With his last breath the paladin slew the last goblin. Unfortunately he didn't have strength enought to heal his wound before he died. This was shortly before Malek teleported himself into the wall and died, so no other goblin guards were able to replace the ones who died or loot the bodies. Berek finds that the paladin's sword was a Holy Avenger and trades with him, saying a prayer to the fallen hero's spirit to let him know that the sword is being used by a fellow paladin in the name of good.

THE BANDIT ATTACK: I said it before and I'll say it again, there were way too many damn humans in this movie. I would have made the bandits orcs, or drow, or hobgoblins, or grimlocks. Anything other than humans. I understand that this movie had a much smaller budget than the first one did, and as such probably couldn't afford the prothstetic latex makeup for that many stuntmen and extras. Making them drow would probably have been cheapest, as they'd just need elf ears, white wigs, and a whole lot of black makeup. Then they could just import a bunch of Chinese stuntmen from the Hong Kong film industry (they're smaller and of slighter builds than most American stuntmen).

THE ENERGY SHIELD: I would have killed off Nim the halfling rogue here. Not that I disliked the character or anything, I just think it would have been more dramatic. Everyone gets across the energy shield safely, but Nim (being a 3' tall halfling) can't get across in time and gets fried. Makes the whole thing a little more emotional, a little sadder, a little darker. Like in an actual D&D game, sometimes your character dies.

Well, those are all the changes I would make to the first two films. I'll write up my ideas for the third movie in the D&D Trilogy at a later date. Feel free to critique my ideas, the movies, post your own ides, whatever. The sky's the limit! Have fun with it. Who knows, maybe some Hollywood bigwig likes to log on to this site and we might inspire him to make a better third installation. Hey, it could happen!

russdm
02-04-2008, 06:54 PM
I am afraid that I actually liked the first one. I thought it was pretty good. I also happen to love the prequels while almost every SW fan I've chatted with hate them. You have to remember that most people view D&D as some weird psycho thingie more than just a hobby so they have to show people its not as bad as they think. The second is better than the first of course but there is not as much humor, a little tad much seriousness. Jeremy Irons was actually very good as Profion, check him out in other roles in other films, he's good. The script need serious work in my opinion. Both Narda and Elwood wait outside while Rid and Snailz go inside the castle. Narda almost always makes some comment about how they (elwood and her; everybody but Ridley) are supposed to do something or enter. Terrible! Cut the lines and scenes! We don't need to see that! There were better scenes they could have kept.

Mulsiphix
02-05-2008, 06:48 AM
There is little to discuss as far as I'm concerned. Both movies are in my personal collection and I've watched each several times. I know they got ho-hum reviews but I thoroghly enjoyed them. The dragon from the second one is one of the best CGI dragons I've ever seen. The only other truly breathtaking dragons were from Reign Of Fire.

MortonStromgal
02-05-2008, 09:55 AM
I really didn't like the first one and I only slightly disliked the second one.

Drohem
02-05-2008, 11:15 AM
I didn't like the first one because of the representation of dwarves. Dwarves are my favorite fantasy race, and they are almost universally portrayed in a comedic manner. Gimli in LotR was done well, but sometimes it came too close to comedic relief for my tastes.

The second was better in my view for several reasons:

1. Jeremy Irons as the BBEG.
2. The Greyhawk flavor really was portrayed well.
3. Magic and spells were portrayed well; as well as nicely done in CGI.
4. The CGI dragon kicked ass!

upidstay
02-05-2008, 11:21 AM
The second one was ok. The FIRST one???

It sucked. It sucked on a totally new level. I was completely unaware that any film could suck like that. The fine folks at Websters had to completely redefine the words suck, garbage, and awful. On a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 meaning "it sucked" and a 1 meaning "Let's find the director and writer and beat them to death with that cheesy prop they used for a scepter", I'd have to give it a 0.

Maybe if the lovely Miss Birch took off her top it would have at least had that...

Did that get my point across? I know that I sometimes sugar coat my words and fail to say what I truly mean.

Mulsiphix
02-05-2008, 11:38 AM
Did that get my point across? I know that I sometimes sugar coat my words and fail to say what I truly mean.Actually I'm quite unclear on what your saying here. Will you quit beating around the bush and let us know what you think of the movie already? Jeesh :rolleyes:

upidstay
02-05-2008, 11:40 AM
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cplmac
02-05-2008, 01:04 PM
I have the first on DVD, and thought that is was OK. Yes, it would be nice if they would include all the deleted scenes, but we have no say in that matter, when they are making the movie. Have not seen the second one so I can't give a reply on it.

What I find funny is that anyone can critisize someone else's work. Especially when they don't do that particular type of work themselves. Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their oppinion as to whether or not they like something. It's just that for someone to say that a particular author don't know how to write, when they are not an author themself, I usually don't finish reading what they a saying.

Tony Misfeldt
02-05-2008, 06:04 PM
I am afraid that I actually liked the first one. I thought it was pretty good. I also happen to love the prequels while almost every SW fan I've chatted with hate them. You have to remember that most people view D&D as some weird psycho thingie more than just a hobby so they have to show people its not as bad as they think. The second is better than the first of course but there is not as much humor, a little tad much seriousness. Jeremy Irons was actually very good as Profion, check him out in other roles in other films, he's good. The script need serious work in my opinion. Both Narda and Elwood wait outside while Rid and Snailz go inside the castle. Narda almost always makes some comment about how they (elwood and her; everybody but Ridley) are supposed to do something or enter. Terrible! Cut the lines and scenes! We don't need to see that! There were better scenes they could have kept.

I've met a few people who liked the first D&D. I've even met a few people who actually liked the Star Wars prequels. Of course, I've also met people who think X-Pac and 1-2-3 Kid are brothers (they're the same guy), or who think Chyna is a transvestite (she's not), or who think nothing in wrestling is staged (it is).They walk among us.

The fact that there's not as much humour in the second D&D movie is a good thing. One of my problems with the first one was that there was too much humour in it. It was like Conan The Barbarian and Conan The Destroyer, but with the roles reversed (Conan The Barbarian was the better film because it was darker and more serious, then they screwed up the second one by making Conan The Destroyer a lighter, PG Rated, action comedy).

I agree that Jeremy Irons is an excellent actor. That's why it pains me to see him take a role so lightly. None of the actors in the first movie showed the kind of professionalism and respect of the base materials that those in the second movie showed. That's what sets the two of then apart. I also agree that Narda and Elwood needed more to do than stand around and watch Riddley and Snailz do everything. But the movie's already out there, so whatcha gonna do?


The second one was ok. The FIRST one???

It sucked. It sucked on a totally new level. I was completely unaware that any film could suck like that. The fine folks at Websters had to completely redefine the words suck, garbage, and awful. On a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 meaning "it sucked" and a 1 meaning "Let's find the director and writer and beat them to death with that cheesy prop they used for a scepter", I'd have to give it a 0.

Maybe if the lovely Miss Birch took off her top it would have at least had that...

Did that get my point across? I know that I sometimes sugar coat my words and fail to say what I truly mean.

You're being way too kind. A 0? I'd give it a -10! Though I'd have to agree with you about Thora Birch. She was also the only actor in the cast who didn't play her character for laughs.

The sequel would have been so much better than it was if they had the same size budget that the first one had. It was still a better movie on the strength of the acting and writing alone.


I didn't like the first one because of the representation of dwarves. Dwarves are my favorite fantasy race, and they are almost universally portrayed in a comedic manner. Gimli in LotR was done well, but sometimes it came too close to comedic relief for my tastes.

The second was better in my view for several reasons:

1. Jeremy Irons as the BBEG.
2. The Greyhawk flavor really was portrayed well.
3. Magic and spells were portrayed well; as well as nicely done in CGI.
4. The CGI dragon kicked ass!

1) I agree with you about the way they portrayed dwarves in the first movie. Gimli in LOTR was played pretty much as written in the novel, so I have fewer complaints about that. But I would have to say that making Elwood more like Gimli would have been a vast improvement.
2) I don't know what you mean by "BBEG" so I can't agree or disagree with you on the Jeremy Irons issue.
3) I don't play in Greyhawk, so I'll have to take your word for it.
4) I totally agree on the point of the magic and spells! They were very well done, not just with the CGI but also with the writing and acting!
5) Here I'm afraid I'll have to disagree. The CGI dragons were far better written (in the first movie they were little more than scaly, fire breathing, winged horses), as in this one they can actually talk. Well, the white dragon didn't say anything, but they usually aren't in a very talkative mood anyway. But visually, the dragons in the first movie were far more realistic. But as far as I'm concerned, the dragons in Dragonheart are the ultimate. That is how dragons are supposed to look (and gold dragons are supposed to act).


I have the first on DVD, and thought that is was OK. Yes, it would be nice if they would include all the deleted scenes, but we have no say in that matter, when they are making the movie.

I understand needing to delete certain scenes due to time constraints. Peter Jackson had to cut each installment of the LOTR Trilogy by nearly an hour because of them. However, He rereleased them on DVD in an extended edition. I'm just suggesting that the producers of the first D&D movie go back and do the same thing with their film. It doesn't have to be rereleased in theatres like the original Star Wars trilogy was (although that would be nice), but rereleasing it on DVD would be a shrewd business move.

Mulsiphix
02-05-2008, 06:35 PM
Tony in the future could you try to combine some of your posts? Double posting is quite common but five in a row is a bit excessive. This is a personal opinion of me as a forum user, not a request of a moderator. As far as I know there is no rule against it. Just a personal peeve :P


I understand needing to delete certain scenes due to time constraints. Peter Jackson had to cut each installment of the LOTR Trilogy by nearly an hour because of them. However, He rereleased them on DVD in an extended edition. I'm just suggesting that the producers of the first D&D movie go back and do the same thing with their film. It doesn't have to be rereleased in theatres like the original Star Wars trilogy was (although that would be nice), but rereleasing it on DVD would be a shrewd business move.The original movie wasn't well accepted. It would be a complete loss of money for them. Seriously bleak.

Drohem
02-05-2008, 09:43 PM
2) I don't know what you mean by "BBEG" so I can't agree or disagree with you on the Jeremy Irons issue.

Big Bad Evil Guy

upidstay
02-06-2008, 06:50 AM
"What I find funny is that anyone can critisize someone else's work. Especially when they don't do that particular type of work themselves. Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their oppinion as to whether or not they like something. It's just that for someone to say that a particular author don't know how to write, when they are not an author themself, I usually don't finish reading what they a saying"



Ummm, actually I can call myself an "author". Been published, all that.

I don't mind a little cheese in my movies. In fact i enjoy a bad sci-fi or fantasy flick. It just ticks me off when they drop $50 million on a movie and waste it all on one cool scene with flying dragons. The scene in the crypt, with the skeleton talking, was sooooooo bad, and the sceptre looked like some newbie LARPer made it in their garage.

Tony Misfeldt
02-06-2008, 04:17 PM
Tony in the future could you try to combine some of your posts? Double posting is quite common but five in a row is a bit excessive. This is a personal opinion of me as a forum user, not a request of a moderator. As far as I know there is no rule against it. Just a personal peeve :P


As I don't have a computer of my own, my time is limited by how long the VPL allows me to use their computers. Thus I use what for me is the quickest and easiest way to respond to posts. Plus I haven't figured out how to respond to multiple posts by multiple members in one responce yet. But I'll take your advice under consideration.



The original movie wasn't well accepted. It would be a complete loss of money for them. Seriously bleak.

Highlander 2: The Quickening wasn't well accepted by the public iether, but they still rereleased it on DVD as Highlander 2: The Renegade Version, which was marginally better (but still crap). I think that they probably made enough money from the entire D&D Movie franchise that they could afford to rerelease an extended director's cut of the first one. And I believe that there are enough of us D&D geeks out there who would go out out and buy it that it would in fact turn a fair profit.



What I find funny is that anyone can critisize someone else's work. Especially when they don't do that particular type of work themselves. Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their oppinion as to whether or not they like something. It's just that for someone to say that a particular author don't know how to write, when they are not an author themself, I usually don't finish reading what they a saying.

I agree with you to a certain extent. I mean, who the hell are Ebert & Roper to tell me whether or not a movie is any good? What film school did they graduate from? How many Oscars or Golden Globes have they won for film making? But, while not all of us are Hollywood script writers doesn't necessarily mean we don't know good writing when we see it. We've all played D&D. We've all written back stories for our characters. We've all DMed games and written adventures for other players. We all know what works well in a D&D game and what doesn't. Writing a movie script isn't so different than writing an adventure, and directing a film isn't so different than DMing a game. I could eat a Monsters Manual and a DMG and crap out a better story than what was used as the script for the first movie. I'm not just writing that as a D&D player and DM, I'm writing that as a published author, a struggling script writer, a pro wrestler, and any other apliccable description you can name.

By the way, I've finished writing my review of the movies in my original post. You guys might want to go back and take another look to see what changes I've made. Then there'll be something new to talk about.

Anaesthesia
02-06-2008, 05:05 PM
I don't have any thing to add about the 2 movies discussed here (it would be redundant to what others have said)

BUT I wanted an opinion on another D&D movie: Dragonlance The Movie (aka Dragons of Autumn Twilight). Apparently the DVD was released on January 15 08. here's the official site:http://www.dragonlance-movie.com

Anyone see it yet?

Mulsiphix
02-07-2008, 05:07 AM
BUT I wanted an opinion on another D&D movie: Dragonlance The Movie (aka Dragons of Autumn Twilight). Apparently the DVD was released on January 15 08. here's the official site:http://www.dragonlance-movie.com

Anyone see it yet?I tried to watch it but couldn't bring myself to finish. I wrote a review of it in another thread (http://www.penandpapergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19280&postcount=14).

tesral
02-07-2008, 11:46 AM
Well, I've never seen any of them. With the comments I wonder if I want to bother.

Yea, a little cheeze is fine, if I enter the film knowing it's a cheezey movie. Some films stick their tongue firmly in cheek from the get-go and never come up. I can think of any number including everything Mel Brooks has made. When there is an understanding that it's a cheeze shop film, that is fine.

Worse film EVAR! And it was a fantasy film at that. Ator Hunter of the Future. It stank so bad I can still smell it when the wind is right. I don't know that they did with the budget, but they didn't spend it on writing, costume, FX, acting, or cinematography. I frankly have seen high school film class efforts that are better. I wake up sweating in the night screaming "Give me back my two hours!!!"

Drohem
02-07-2008, 12:06 PM
Highlander 2: The Quickening wasn't well accepted by the public iether, but they still rereleased it on DVD as Highlander 2: The Renegade Version, which was marginally better (but still crap). I think that they probably made enough money from the entire D&D Movie franchise that they could afford to rerelease an extended director's cut of the first one. And I believe that there are enough of us D&D geeks out there who would go out out and buy it that it would in fact turn a fair profit.

Eh? What? This movie never existed and we will never speak of again, right?

MortonStromgal
02-07-2008, 05:12 PM
There should have been only one...

cplmac
02-07-2008, 06:28 PM
I tried to watch it but couldn't bring myself to finish. I wrote a review of it in another thread (http://www.penandpapergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19280&postcount=14).


So who do we need to know or contact about getting a good version of this made using real actors & actresses as well as cutting edge special effects. I'll heed your advice and save my money until it gets made right.

Drohem
02-07-2008, 06:44 PM
So who do we need to know or contact about getting a good version of this made using real actors & actresses as well as cutting edge special effects. I'll heed your advice and save my money until it gets made right.


I would trust Peter Jackson to do it right if he had the right resources. Having LotR on his resume looks good ;)

Farcaster
02-07-2008, 07:29 PM
Plus I haven't figured out how to respond to multiple posts by multiple members in one responce yet. But I'll take your advice under consideration.

Tony, you can select the multi-quote button http://www.penandpapergames.com/forums/Greys/buttons/multiquote_off.gif, which is just to the right of "quote". That allows you to select multiple posts and then when you finally do hit reply, all the posts are quoted at once.

tesral
02-07-2008, 10:25 PM
Tony, you can select the multi-quote button http://www.penandpapergames.com/forums/Greys/buttons/multiquote_off.gif, which is just to the right of "quote". That allows you to select multiple posts and then when you finally do hit reply, all the posts are quoted at once.

That is what that is for. Useful, I'll promptly forget it now. :confused:

MortonStromgal
02-08-2008, 11:22 AM
I would trust Peter Jackson to do it right if he had the right resources. Having LotR on his resume looks good ;)

After seeing the documentaries I disagree (heh look I disagreed with Drohem!) Fans didn't let him screw it up, otherwise we would have ended up with Liv Warrior Princess. You are talking about the guy known for Bad Taste and other campy horror films.

Drohem
02-08-2008, 11:27 AM
Yeah, I'm not a fan of his other movies, espcially the ones before LotR. However, LotR was done right. If he was wise enough to listen to the fan base for that franchise, then he would probably follow that model with a Dungeons & Dragons movie- I would hope! You never know though; although I hope his LotR success 'went to his head,' so to speak. I guess how the The Hobbit movies turn out will be a good barometer.

Mulsiphix
02-08-2008, 07:59 PM
Before LOTR? The Frighteners was awesome! Unfortunately I don't think we're going to see Dragonlance done right until more people get interested in D&D. A great deal of directors make movies that they themselves want to see. It isn't about the money. Most are happy just to break even. At least this is the case for Lucas and Spielberg. Either some Dragonlance fan is going to have to make this baby, maybe they that is the case with the one that was just released :eek:, or D&D is going to have to reach a much bigger audience. So many awesome fantasy movies could be created by so many talented people :(.

Malruhn
02-08-2008, 08:38 PM
Ach, you must all biteth me.

I liked 'em both. Cheesy and poorly acted? You betcha - just like many adventures I've been on.

I liked 'em. Make a third!!!

Edited to add: Oh, and Ator was not only a waste of celluloid, it was a waste of cellulose, cellulite and cell-u-phones as well.

Maelstrom
02-09-2008, 08:42 AM
It's all about the book. If there were a Dungeons and Dragons book to make it to the top-selling list we might have a chance. Problem is, slapping a Dungeons and Dragons icon on it virtually guaruntees it will be read by a very select group, not the appeal to get a movie made.

Now Lion, Witch, and Wardrobe was pretty cool as far as showing what would be possible. Centaurs in battle are an Awesome sight to behold!

tesral
02-09-2008, 01:13 PM
Edited to add: Oh, and Ator was not only a waste of celluloid, it was a waste of cellulose, cellulite and cell-u-phones as well.

I think the word you seek is "waste".

Mulsiphix
02-09-2008, 02:01 PM
I think these movies should be cheesy. Not Monty Python cheesy but cheesiness in general should be present. When was the last time you played anything D&D and there wasn't somebody cheesing it up? Its an inevitable byproduct of amateur roleplaying ;)

tesral
02-10-2008, 01:25 AM
The comedy should come from the circumstances, not the production itself. The minute you cause me to say "Oh come on" you have lost me on the film or story.

Here is the deal, you have to take making anything seriously. I don't care if it is red clown noses, you have to be serious about making a quality red clown nose. If you are making a D&D movie half measures do not work. "Oh we don't have to try, it's only a product placement fantasy film." Okay, that will be a bad movie, I don't care what they started with.

To get a quality product you have to respect the story, respect the process, respect the audience, and not take yourself seriously. This works no matter if you have a movie, a book, a stage play, or a gaming scenario. Take the work seriously, but never yourself.

Mulsiphix
02-10-2008, 01:43 AM
With over 90 million spent on the first movie alone I doubt this was just a "just for the hell of it" attempt at creating another fantasy film.

nijineko
02-10-2008, 05:54 AM
what impressed me about the first movie was actually the uphill battle he fought to make it happen in the first place. i understand that he didn't have a whole lot of support to make it happen for a long time.

it is too bad that there were so many critisizable things in the first, but considering the circumstances, they did a pretty impressive job with what they had to work with.

and the second was an improvement over the first. i liked that they were both 'actual' d&d movies with elements from the rpg. yeah, they had lots of flaws, but then so do most of the movies i've seen. ^^

Mulsiphix
02-10-2008, 11:30 AM
yeah, they had lots of flaws, but then so do most of the movies i've seen. ^^Well said sir :D

tesral
02-10-2008, 05:13 PM
With over 90 million spent on the first movie alone I doubt this was just a "just for the hell of it" attempt at creating another fantasy film.

Money spent is no indication of quality in any endeavor. Indeed if people speak in amazement at the amount of money spent it is usually an indication that they wonder what it was spent on.

rabkala
02-10-2008, 07:10 PM
I thought the first movie was not great, but not all that bad. Maybe time has obscured much of it from my mind. I did think the script/dialog was horrible. I have seen much worse. Come on, it had Thora Birch in it, how could it be all bad. :confused:

I attempted to watch the second movie, but got irritated and turned it off. Just sad what I saw of it.

Mulsiphix
02-10-2008, 10:07 PM
Money spent is no indication of quality in any endeavor. Indeed if people speak in amazement at the amount of money spent it is usually an indication that they wonder what it was spent on.Money spent may not be an indication of quality but it usually is a pretty good indication of commitment. While 90 million might not be a lot of money to some directors, most would consider it a very large sum of money. Something they could create something truly wonderful with. My point being, I think the amount of money spent on the first movie is enough to say that the those who funded it were pretty serious about making a real D&D movie.

tesral
02-10-2008, 11:09 PM
I think the amount of money spent on the first movie is enough to say that the those who funded it were pretty serious about making a real D&D movie.

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

That might indeed have been their failing. They tried to make a D&D movie. First you tell a good story, the rest will take care of itself. I don't know of any film company that set out to produce a bomb. However there are a lot of bombs out there.

rabkala
02-10-2008, 11:13 PM
Bombs! No need to make terrorist threats just because you didn't like the movie!

Mulsiphix
02-11-2008, 01:45 AM
I think those with super low budgets know they're going to be producing a bomb. I've seen some pretty awesome stories in many B-Movies but the budget was just so low that the whole movie was hard to get into. Even great acting can be overshadowed by cheap or non-existent props :rolleyes:

nijineko
02-11-2008, 05:49 AM
ah, come on. that one star trek show where they spent most of the episode wandering around a darkened stage set trying to find there way in "caves" was actually one of the better ones. it can be done, it's just difficult.

tesral
02-11-2008, 09:48 AM
ah, come on. that one star trek show where they spent most of the episode wandering around a darkened stage set trying to find there way in "caves" was actually one of the better ones. it can be done, it's just difficult.

Old quote from The Business "If it ain't on the page, it ain't on the stage." "Gem" is the epsiode you are thinking of TOS third season. (Yes, total Trekkie here). It is possible to produce a good production with few props, and little in the way of set. "The Fantastics" is a perfect example for the live stage. It has virturally nothing in terms of setting or props. It is written that way. A good story teller can have you rivited to every word by word alone. Well done your mind will produce visuals that the movie guys would envy.

I have never dissed a good story for bad effects and props. I have dissed a film for good FXs and a lousy story.

Mulsiphix
02-11-2008, 10:47 AM
Name one popular movie that had a low budget, bad or non-existent props, and a great story. I bet there isn't even one. Today's world has no room for such amateur creations. That is such efforts are not appreciated by the "satisfaction now" point of view so many people seem to collectively share :rolleyes:

boulet
02-11-2008, 11:03 AM
You mean like El Mariachi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Mariachi) ? Ok I agree Desperado was the actual hit more than its predecessor. Still the serie of movies wouldn't be there without the initial $7000 episode !

There is room for low budget, story driven stuff. That's why the big actors of show business are keeping an eye on Sundance. There's even agents and companies specialized in promoting Sundance rising stars as next Hollywood innovators.

Personally it's only a small fraction of the big budget movies that retain my attention. I usually get more satisfaction from independant movie for many reasons, originality being one of them.

tesral
02-11-2008, 11:07 AM
Name one popular movie that had a low budget, bad or non-existent props, and a great story. I bet there isn't even one. Today's world has no room for such amateur creations. That is such efforts are not appreciated by the "satisfaction now" point of view so many people seem to collectively share :rolleyes:

No, most films these days spend a great deal on apperences. Too little on script. I see a lot of five minute plots. That is five minutes after it's over you are going "Hey, waht abut this? that would invalidate the whole story".

Good story, not much prop? "Twelve Angry Men" the whole story is told in one room. The only props are a pair of switchblades. Special effects are limited to a little rain in the window.

Mulsiphix
02-11-2008, 12:10 PM
You got me there. Twelve Angry Men was spectacular ;)

russdm
02-11-2008, 05:24 PM
Either some Dragonlance fan is going to have to make this baby.
From what I have seen of Autumn Twilight, using CGI with 2-D animation is terrible. They could have, more like should half, done it all the same way: 2-D. Then you don't have these weird mixing things going on.

Though I've got no directing experience, I am pretty sure it wouldn't be hard to make a better version. Probably need to find somebody to do 2-D animation and who knows how to do voice stuff. Oh, don't forgot sound effects.

Mulsiphix
02-11-2008, 05:34 PM
The voice acting, background music, and awkward animation really put me off. It could have done much better if they had spent some more time working on the quality of the film. Just seems like somebody threw it together.

Tony Misfeldt
02-11-2008, 05:52 PM
It's all about the book. If there were a Dungeons and Dragons book to make it to the top-selling list we might have a chance. Problem is, slapping a Dungeons and Dragons icon on it virtually guaruntees it will be read by a very select group, not the appeal to get a movie made.

Now Lion, Witch, and Wardrobe was pretty cool as far as showing what would be possible. Centaurs in battle are an Awesome sight to behold!


Many of R.A Salvadore's dark elf novels were number one on The New York Times Best Seller List. Actually, I've always felt that the story of Drizzt Do'Urden would make for an excellent series of D&D movies. With a well known, skilled, and talented director (such as Peter Jackson) and a cast of well known and talented actors it would be a hit with or without the Dungeons & Dragons icon. Personally, I would start the series with Sojourn: Book Three of The Dark Elf Trilogy. While the other two are very important to Drizzt's backstory, they both take place almost entirely in the lightless world of the underdark. Infravision would be very difficult to put into film, and would be very confusing to the uninitiated. There are ways of doing it of course, but anyone in the audience who has niether played D&D nor read the novels wouldn't necessarily know what's going on. They could shoot the scenes using actual infrared technology (which is very expensive and not designed for Hollywood film making), colour the images in post production to make it look like it was shot using actual infrared technology, or shoot it in black & white and colour their eyes red (or in Drizzt's case, purple) to show that a scene is taking place in total darkness. Then whenever the drow come into the light (lighting a candle, going to the surface, etc) the screen goes white in a blinding flash of light and then everything is seen under normal conditions. But starting with the third book, with a scrolling recap of the events that led to Drizzt going to the surface (or perhaps even a montage), and then just continuing from there would be easier and just as effective.

Tony Misfeldt
02-11-2008, 05:54 PM
Eh? What? This movie never existed and we will never speak of again, right?
Oh, if only...


Tony, you can select the multi-quote button http://www.penandpapergames.com/forums/Greys/buttons/multiquote_off.gif, which is just to the right of "quote". That allows you to select multiple posts and then when you finally do hit reply, all the posts are quoted at once.

I thought that's what that was for, and I tried using it several times. Iether I was using it wrong or the VPL computers were screwing it up somehow.


The comedy should come from the circumstances, not the production itself. The minute you cause me to say "Oh come on" you have lost me on the film or story.

Here is the deal, you have to take making anything seriously. I don't care if it is red clown noses, you have to be serious about making a quality red clown nose. If you are making a D&D movie half measures do not work. "Oh we don't have to try, it's only a product placement fantasy film." Okay, that will be a bad movie, I don't care what they started with.

To get a quality product you have to respect the story, respect the process, respect the audience, and not take yourself seriously. This works no matter if you have a movie, a book, a stage play, or a gaming scenario. Take the work seriously, but never yourself.

My sentiments exactly! That's why the second movie worked so much better than the first. With the first movie, practically nobody working on the project took it seriously. In the second movie, everybody took the project seriously. Thus the second movie was superior to the first with only about half the budget.

If you've seen the Making Of Featurette for Conan The Barbarian, James Earl Jones was giving his phylosophy on how to play a convincing villain. He said the secret is to take the role seriously. Don't try to have fun with it. The moment you start having fun with the role it shows in your performance and you lose any believability. So James Earl Jones took the roles of Thulsa Doom and Darth Vader very seriously and now they are icons of Hollywoon villains. Jeremy Irons decided to have fun with the role of Profion, and the character is a joke.


Name one popular movie that had a low budget, bad or non-existent props, and a great story. I bet there isn't even one. Today's world has no room for such amateur creations. That is such efforts are not appreciated by the "satisfaction now" point of view so many people seem to collectively share :rolleyes:

Does the name Star Wars mean anything to you? The first movie (now called Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope) had a very small budget for a film of that magnitude (only about $10 million if memory serves), yet George Lucas managed to make one of the greatest sci-fi movies of all time. And he did it with little more than elbow grease, imagination, popcicle sticks, glue, and a whole lot of testicular fortitude. Unfortunately he's sold out and now resorts to sticking a handful of actors in front of a blue screen and adding everything else in with CGI. But back then he was a geniuos and an inovator of film making.

Point being, it has been done, it can be done, and with a little guts and determination it can be done again.


From what I have seen of Autumn Twilight, using CGI with 2-D animation is terrible. They could have, more like should half, done it all the same way: 2-D. Then you don't have these weird mixing things going on.

Though I've got no directing experience, I am pretty sure it wouldn't be hard to make a better version. Probably need to find somebody to do 2-D animation and who knows how to do voice stuff. Oh, don't forgot sound effects.

I don't know. I've only seen the trailer for it, but it doesn't look any worse than the Dungeons & Dragons Saturday morning cartoon from the 80's (I have that entire series on DVD). Of course I wasn't even aware of the movie. I have seen a computer animated feature length D&D movie with a "choose your own adventure" set up to it in the video store though. I haven't rented/bought it yet so I can't give any opinions as of yet. It features three of the characters from the 3rd Edtion Players Handbook (the rogue, the fighter, and the mage I think). I'll write more when I know more.

russdm
02-11-2008, 06:37 PM
I have seen a computer animated feature length D&D movie with a "choose your own adventure" set up to it in the video store though. I haven't rented/bought it yet so I can't give any opinions as of yet. It fetures three of the characters from the 3rd Edtion Players Handbook (the rogue, the fighter, and the mage I think). I'll write more when I know more.
I have done it. Its great. I really enjoyed it, lots of different possibilities to go through. Different choices at different times resulted in different endings, though I think there might be only 3 with variations on them. I won't say what they are since that would spoil things for people.

upidstay
02-12-2008, 07:52 AM
Many of R.A Salvadore's dark elf novels were number one on The New York Times Best Seller List. Actually, I've always felt that the story of Drizzt Do'Urden would make for an excellent series of D&D movies. With a well known, skilled, and talented director (such as Peter Jackson) and a cast of well known and talented actors it would be a hit with or without the Dungeons & Dragons icon. Personally, I would start the series with Sojourn: Book Three of The Dark Elf Trilogy. While the other two are very important to Drizzt's backstory, they both take place almost entirely in the lightless world of the underdark. Infravision would be very difficult to put into film, and would be very confusing to the uninitiated. There are ways of doing it of course, but anyone in the audience who has niether played D&D nor read the novels wouldn't necessarily know what's going on. They could shoot the scenes using actual infrared technology (which is very expensive and not designed for Hollywood film making), colour the images in post production to make it look like it was shot using actual infrared technology, or shoot it in black & white and colour their eyes red (or in Drizzt's case, purple) to show that a scene is taking place in total darkness. Then whenever the drow come into the light (lighting a candle, going to the surface, etc) the screen goes white in a blinding flash of light and then everything is seen under normal conditions. But starting with the third book, with a scrolling recap of the events that led to Drizzt going to the surface (or perhaps even a montage), and then just continuing from there would be easier and just as effective.



Brad Pitt would make a good Drizzt. He was great in "Troy". It would be easier to get your girlfriend/wife (or girlfriend, as long as your wife doesn't catch you) to go see it.

Mulsiphix
02-12-2008, 12:19 PM
I consider myself to be a straight shooter but I appreciate a good looking guy in a role. There is just something about Ron Jeremy playing Lestat in Interview With The Vampire that just isn't pleasing you know?

Tony Misfeldt
02-12-2008, 06:13 PM
Brad Pitt would make a good Drizzt. He was great in "Troy". It would be easier to get your girlfriend/wife (or girlfriend, as long as your wife doesn't catch you) to go see it.

Ten years ago, maybe. He's getting a little long in the tooth for the role now. He's in his forties and if Sojourn were successful and they end up doing the whole series, he'd have to play Drizzt for the next twenty years or so. Personally, I'd go with James Marsters (Spike from TV's Buffy The Vampire Slayer). He has the high cheekbones and narrow chin a man needs to play an elf. He's also a pretty good actor, has an athletic build, and with his experience on Buffy is pretty good with the fight scenes. My second choice would be Orlando Bloom. He has all the same desirable physical attributes as James, and he did such a damn good job in Pirates Of The Carribean and Lord Of The Rings. Just as long as they don't give the role to Leonardo Decapitated. I hate him and boycott all his movies if I can at all help it.


I have done it. Its great. I really enjoyed it, lots of different possibilities to go through. Different choices at different times resulted in different endings, though I think there might be only 3 with variations on them. I won't say what they are since that would spoil things for people.

Then I'll deffinately consider adding it to my collection. Granted, I thought the first D&D movie sucked and I added that to my movie collection anyway. But it's good to see that this one has at least one good review. They might want to consider doing the same "choose your own adventure" style for a future live action D&D movie. That might be interesting.


I consider myself to be a straight shooter but I appreciate a good looking guy in a role. There is just something about Ron Jeremy playing Lestat in Interview With The Vampire that just isn't pleasing you know?

Wouldn't that movie be Intercourse With A Vampire?


So who do we need to know or contact about getting a good version of this made using real actors & actresses as well as cutting edge special effects. I'll heed your advice and save my money until it gets made right.

Many celebrities have personal websites with a "contact us" icon that allows you to send them an email. Some of them even go through their own emails and write responces themselves. I'm sure that if you did some checking, you should find websites by Oliver Stone, Peter Jackson, Jerry Bruckheimer, Rob Riener, Ron Howard, Stephen Spielberg, George Lucas, or the writers, directors, and executive producers of the first two live action D&D movies. Send them each an email including a link to this thread on this website. Hopefully they'll read the posts here, understand what went wrong with the first two, and try making the third one a movie that all D&D players and regular movie goers will want to watch. They may even take on the projects of the Dragon Lance and Drizzt Do'Urden movies.

Hey, it's worth a try.

Tony Misfeldt
02-12-2008, 06:57 PM
Okay, so we've all given our opinions as to the quality of the first two movies. It's pretty much unanimous that the first one sucked, and the second one was better written but under funded. Now how about predictions for the third installment in the trilogy? How do you see the trilogy ending up? Here are my predictions/hopes...

DUNGEONS & DRAGONS III: RETURN OF DAMODAR

Just as the title indicates, Damodar (played once again by Bruce Payne) escapes from prison and seeks revenge on those who imprisoned him in the first place. I see three ways this could occur.

1) The story takes place a few years after the Wrath Of The Dragon God. All of the actors who played the surviving party members return to reprise their roles (or if they have the budget for it, recast the characters using my above suggestions). The heroes reunite, joining forces with Elwood the dwarf and Norda the elven ranger, to defeat Damodar and his evil schemes.

2) The story takes place a couple of decades after Wrath Of The Dragon God. This time, Damodar successfully tracks down and slays each of the heroes who defeated him in the last movie, except for Berek's wife and Ormaline who are too powerful for a simple fighter to defeat. Lux was killed on her daughter's wedding day right in front of her daughter and her son in law (played by Joanie "Chyna" Laurer and Tyler Mane, who played Sabertooth in X-Men). He kills Nim in his own guild house right in front of the cut-purse he had mentored (played by Warwick Davis). And he kills Berek right in front of his son (played by Orlando Bloom). These friends and decendants unite with Norda, Ormaline, Elwood, and a cleric (played by Liam Naason) who was mentored by Dorian from the second movie, to track down Damodar and stop him once and for all.

3) The last possibility could be the same as either of the previous two with one exception. The title is Dungeons & Dragons III: The Return Of Profion, and it's Profion (who has come back from the dead as a demilich) who breaks Damodar out of prison.

Farcaster
02-12-2008, 07:17 PM
Name one popular movie that had a low budget, bad or non-existent props, and a great story. I bet there isn't even one.

Blair Witch Project. The film had a ~$20,000 budget and grossed $248 million. It meets your qualifications in every regard.


Personally, I'd go with James Marsters (Spike from TV's Buffy The Vampire Slayer). He has the high cheekbones and narrow chin a man needs to play an elf. He's also a pretty good actor, has an athletic build, and with his experience on Buffy is pretty good with the fight scenes. My second choice would be Orlando Bloom.

I recently attended a book signing for Salvatore's new book, The Orc King. Someone brought this very thing up and was asking him who he'd like to see playing the role. His response was surprising. Apparently, Vin Diesel has expressed interest to him in playing Drizzt, and Salvatore seemed pretty amenable to that idea. Imagine that one! I'm having a hard time picturing it.

Mulsiphix
02-12-2008, 09:32 PM
After I posted the question originally I thought of the Blair Witch Project. I was hoping nobody would bring it up. Well played sir ;)

nijineko
02-13-2008, 02:53 AM
Does the name Star Wars mean anything to you? The first movie (now called Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope) had a very small budget for a film of that magnitude (only about $10 million if memory serves), yet George Lucas managed to make one of the greatest sci-fi movies of all time. And he did it with little more than elbow grease, imagination, popcicle sticks, glue, and a whole lot of testicular fortitude.

you forgot the tennis shoe. seriously. one of the ships in the background was a tennis shoe. if you look really close you can spot it.

Tony Misfeldt
02-14-2008, 05:56 PM
I recently attended a book signing for Salvatore's new book, The Orc King. Someone brought this very thing up and was asking him who he'd like to see playing the role. His response was surprising. Apparently, Vin Diesel has expressed interest to him in playing Drizzt, and Salvatore seemed pretty amenable to that idea. Imagine that one! I'm having a hard time picturing it.

I can't picture that either. Vin Diesel as Drizzt? Not only does the guy have no acting talent, he's way too damn big! Bob Salvadore is a brilliant author, but I'm afraid he is ill suited to the role of casting director. Although, it's a well known fact that Vin Diesel is a fellow D&D geek. He would probably be a good choice for a different role in a D&D movie (prefferably a villain who doesn't say much and ends up getting killed).


you forgot the tennis shoe. seriously. one of the ships in the background was a tennis shoe. if you look really close you can spot it.

I have watched that movie dozens of times between 1977 and now, and I'd never noticed the tennis shoe! Which scene was it in? Where on the screen should I look?


Name one popular movie that had a low budget, bad or non-existent props, and a great story. I bet there isn't even one.

We're getting a little off topic here, but another example is John Carpenter's 1978 original Halloween. They had a budget of less than $1million and the movie was one of the highest grossing films of all time.


From what I have seen of Autumn Twilight, using CGI with 2-D animation is terrible. They could have, more like should half, done it all the same way: 2-D. Then you don't have these weird mixing things going on.

Though I've got no directing experience, I am pretty sure it wouldn't be hard to make a better version. Probably need to find somebody to do 2-D animation and who knows how to do voice stuff. Oh, don't forgot sound effects.

Or how about an all 3-D CGI version, like the Final Fantasy movie, Animatrix, or the Star Wars prequels? Or motion capture animation like in Beowulf and The Polar Express? It might be better received than an all 2-D version.

Mulsiphix
02-15-2008, 03:59 PM
We're getting a little off topic here, but another example is John Carpenter's 1978 original Halloween. They had a budget of less than $1million and the movie was one of the highest grossing films of all time.Your kidding me right? $1 million back in 1970 was hardly a low budget. $1 million by today's standard is hardly a low budget. Pron films with less than $10,000 for a budget bring in millions.

Tony Misfeldt
02-16-2008, 05:36 PM
Your kidding me right? $1 million back in 1970 was hardly a low budget. $1 million by today's standard is hardly a low budget. Pron films with less than $10,000 for a budget bring in millions.

I said LESS THAN $1million. I don't remember exactly how much less. I think it was $750,000. Or was it $75000? Something like that. Anyway, A milion dollars sounds like a lot of money to people outside the industry, but the cost of studio time, editing, paying cast and extras, etc, costs a lot more than people realize. Even when you cut corners and find cheaper ways of doing things, the costs still add up to more money than most of us make in a year, or even ten years.

Dimthar
02-16-2008, 11:31 PM
Name one popular movie that had a low budget, bad or non-existent props, and a great story. I bet there isn't even one. Today's world has no room for such amateur creations. That is such efforts are not appreciated by the "satisfaction now" point of view so many people seem to collectively share :rolleyes:

I think the "Blair Witch Project" was very decent.

I don't think "Priscilla Queen of the Desert" was very expensive also.

And lets not forget "Memento" which even had 2 nominations to the Oscar.

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Drohem
02-17-2008, 12:06 PM
Momento was excellent. It was filimed in Sunland, CA. I used to live down the street from the trailer park and motel in the movie, LOL!

Mulsiphix
02-18-2008, 05:33 AM
I said LESS THAN $1million. I don't remember exactly how much less. I think it was $750,000. Or was it $75000? Something like that. Anyway, A milion dollars sounds like a lot of money to people outside the industry, but the cost of studio time, editing, paying cast and extras, etc, costs a lot more than people realize. Even when you cut corners and find cheaper ways of doing things, the costs still add up to more money than most of us make in a year, or even ten years.Its budget was $325,000 and it was not one of the highest grossing films of all time. It brought in $47 million. According to the box office (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_grossing_films) there were several films released right around that time that brought in 500 to 750+ million.

Tony Misfeldt
02-18-2008, 04:42 PM
Its budget was $325,000 and it was not one of the highest grossing films of all time. It brought in $47 million. According to the box office (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_grossing_films) there were several films released right around that time that brought in 500 to 750+ million.

My mistake. I meant to say one of the highest grossing horror films of all time (at least up to that point).

Mulsiphix
02-18-2008, 05:14 PM
My mistake. I meant to say one of the highest grossing horror films of all time (at least up to that point).That I agree with ;)

Tony Misfeldt
02-18-2008, 05:31 PM
Now, to get back on topic....

FORGOTTEN REALMS PRESENTS...
A DUNGEONS & DRAGONS ADVENTURE...
SOJOURN OF A DARK ELF
Based on the novel Sojourn by New York Times Best Selling Author R.A. Salvatore.

SCREEN WRITER: Joss Whedon, with colaberative efforts by R.A. Salvadore and Oliver Stone. I pick Joss Whedon because he did such a great job writing the TV series Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Angel. Also, he knows what it's like to have someone else mess with your vision for your movie. That's what happenned with the movie version of Buffy. He wrote the script and sold it to Warner Brothers. They hired a director who said "I think this should be a teen comedy". It was filmed that way and it sucked. Then he got the chance to do it right with the TV show by both writing and directing it and it turned into a world wide phenominon. So if he were to collaberate with R.A. Salvadore on the script for Sojourn,the two of them would make sure that the director won't take any 'Creative License" with the story. I listed R.A Salvadore for the obvious reason that he'd want to make sure that any big screen adaptation of his greatest work stayed true to the original story as much as possible (and when you're as big and muscular as Bob Salvadore, when you tell people to write something a certyain way, they listen). And I added Oliver Stone to the collaberation because of the awsome job he did on Conan The Barbarian. He had written several other excellent movies as well (Platoon, JFK, Natural Born Killers, etc) but Conan was the only sword & sorcery themed movie he'd ever done.

EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: E. Gary Gygax, because he created the Dungeons & Dragons game. Ed Greenwood, because he created The Forgotten Realms campaign setting. R.A. Salvadore, because he created the character of Drizzt Do'Urden. And (in order of preference) either Jerry Bruckheimer because of the awsome job he did on The Pirates Of The Carribean Trilogy, Stephen Spielberg because of the awsome job he did on the Jurassic Park Trilogy as well as The Indiana Jones Quartet, or George Lucas because of the awsome job he did on Star Wars Episodes IV-VI and the mount of money he blew on those pieces of crap called Star Wars Episodes I-III. Dino De Laurentis (spelling?) because of the awsome job he did on Conan The Barbarian and adequate job on Conan The Destroyer (he should have hired better writers though).

DIRECTOR (IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE): Peter Jackson because of his awsome work with The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy. Ron Howard because of his awsome work on Willow. Or Rob Riener because of his awsome work on The Princess Bride.

CAST (IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE)

DRIZZT DO'URDEN: First, Orlando Bloom. He did such a good job as Legolas in LOTR and as Will Turner in POTC that he's a natural choice. Also he's a big enough name to almost garantee a good box office gross. He has the perfect build, facial features, and the look to play an elf. Second, James Marsters. He did an excellent job playing Spike on TV's Buffy The Vampire Slayer. He's not as widely known as Orlando Bloom, but the Sci-Fi/Fantasy geeks (which would be the movie's target demographic) would recognize the name and want to go see the film. He also has all the same desirable physical attributes to play an elf. Final choice is Marc Dacascos (Only The Strong, Double Dragon, Brotherhood Of The Wolf, TV's The Crow: Stairway To Heaven, host of TV's Iron Chef America). Like the other two, he has all the physical attributes making him a perfect person to play an elf (height, build, facial features, etc). Unlike the other two, he actually is an expert in the martial arts (specifically the Brazillian art of capoera). He might not be as well known as Orlando Bloom, but he's at least as well known as James Marsters.

RODDY McGRISSLE: Randal "Tex" Cobb (Blind Fury, Highlander: The Series). He's big, burly, has a gruff voice, and plays an excellent villain. If I had to choose a second runner up, I'd say the guy who played Ogre in Revenge Of The Nerds and Jackson in Bloodsport.

DOVE FALCONHAND: Either Jessica Alba or Jessica Biel. They both have the perfect look to play the famed female ranger. And since it's a relatively minor role, there's very little chance of either of them screwing up the entire movie. And both their names are big enough to almost garantee a good boxoffice gross.

MONTOLIO "MOOSHIE" DEBROOCHIE: The only actor I'd ever really seen as being perfect for this role is Donald Sutherland. Although I suppose Sir Ian McEllan might make a good Mooshie, I think he's be better as Elminster or Vangerdhast in another Forgotten Realms movie.

BRUENOR BATTLEHAMMER: First choice is Gimli's scale double from the LOTR Trilogy, Bret Beatty. He's 4'9", is a classically trained actor, a licensed stuntman, and a blackbelt in karate. Second choice is Lee Arenberg (Elwood from the first D&D Movie). I didn't like how Elwood was written, but when Lee was dressed up as Elwood I said to myself "That's Bruenor!" Third choice is WWE Superstar, Hornswoggle. I don't know how good of an actor he'll be (as Hornswaggle's character never speaks), but he's highly athletic and only stands 4'6". Stick him in armour, a one horned helmet, and a red beard and wig and you've got Bruenor.

CATTI-BRIE: This would have to be a relatively unknown red haired girl between the ages of 10 and 12, as that's how old Cattibrie was when she and Drizzt first met. Unfortunately I can't think of any actresses who are well known and fit that description.

Then if this movie is successful they can do The Chrystal Shard, Streams Of Silver, The Halflings Gem, The Legasy, etc, etc, etc, etc....

Tony Misfeldt
02-18-2008, 11:52 PM
I think the "Blair Witch Project" was very decent.

I don't think "Priscilla Queen of the Desert" was very expensive also.

And lets not forget "Memento" which even had 2 nominations to the Oscar.

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Okay, we're all agreed that there have been numerous movies made with great scripts and on a shoestring budget that went on to become huge commercial successes. The Blair Witch Project, Rocky, Billy Jack, Halloween, Born Losers, Star Wars, Memento, Clerks, Chasing Amy, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...

Can we please get back on topic? What would you like to see in Dungeons & Dragons III? What D&D novels would you like to see put to film? Who would you like to star in them? In which roles? Which D&D world would you prefer seeing put on film? Forgotten Realms? Dragon Lance? Greyhawk? Why? Sorry, but that's what this thread's supposed to be about. So how about answering some of those questions? Or critiquing some of my suggestions? Don't be shy, go right ahead. Just please stop listing successful low budget movies. We get the point!

nijineko
02-19-2008, 04:57 AM
i tend to be for greyhawk myself, but i don't think that's too likely. if wotc was involved in any decisions about that, then it would wind up in eberron. however, with the pulp noir high fantasy setting that could almost be mistaken for steampunk in some aspects, it would appeal to people who are otherwise not into fantasy. i don't care what you call a lightning rail-it will say train with fancy special effects to most people.

but then with all the interesting things in eberron, it might fall prey to sfx creep and run out of budget.

upidstay
02-19-2008, 06:37 AM
I'd like to see Greyhawk, the "original" campaign setting.

nijineko
02-19-2008, 06:51 AM
so would i, honestly.

Drohem
02-19-2008, 10:24 AM
I would like to see Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits in movie formatt. There would be a lot of hot Drow females in small outfits with swords. :D

Also, the Aerie of the Slave Lords (modules A1-A4) would make good movies.

Tony Misfeldt
02-19-2008, 03:14 PM
I only played in Greyhawk briefly when my old gaming group switched from Basic D&D to AD&D back in the late 80s. Then when we switched to 2nd Edition we started playing in Forgotten Realms and I've been playing there ever since. Point is I don't know all that much about Greyhawk so I don't know exactly how good of a story it would make for a movie. But from what I can tell, D&D I and D&D II were both set in Greyhawk. Thus should they come out with D&D III: The Return Of Damodar or D&D III The Return Of Profion it would be written in the Greyhawk gaming world.

I only ever played D&D in the Dragon Lance setting a few times. However I have read quite a few of the Dragon Lance novels. And a live action version of The Dragons Of Autumn Twilight as well as the five novels that follow would make for a very interesting series of movies. Certainly quite entertaining if they're done well.

But my all time favourite is still The Forgotten Realms. I've already written my idea for the first of the Drizzt Do'Urden movies above. I'd also like to see The Finder's Stone Trilogy, The Spellfire Trilogy, and The Windwalker Trilogy put to film. There are so many great stories set in The Forgotten Realms that there's really very few limitations on what could be accomplished. Given the right producers (which I've listed above), the right director (also listed above), and the right group of writers translating the novel to script form (also listed above) there's no limit on what can be accomplished with The Forgotten Realms movie franchise.

Tony Misfeldt
02-19-2008, 03:30 PM
THE FORGOTTEN RELMS PRESENTS...
A DUNGEONS & DRAGONS ADVENTURE...
THE CHRYSTAL SHARD
Based on the novel The Chrystal Shard by New York Times Best Selling Author R.A. Salvadore

The roles of Drizzt, Bruenor, Cassius, and most other returning characters from the first movie will be played by the same actors as the first movie. New characters and actors are listed below...

REGIS: My first choice for Regis is Warwick Davis. He's an excellent actor, he looks the part, he loves fantasy stories, and he's very well known. My second choice is Vern "Mini Me" Troyer. He's more of a comedic actor than Warwick, but he's more well known by the younger audience members. If I have to make a third choice, I'd have to say the guy who played Kramers friend Mickey on Seinfeld. He'd have to shave the beard and mustache, but he's a pretty good actor.

YOUNG CATTI-BRIE: Possibly an unknown. For a known actress I would say Dakota Fanning. Or possibly Lindsay Lohan's little sister, Ali Lohan. It's a small role so exactly who plays it doesn't really matter.

CATTI-BRIE: This actress will be playing the role throughout the entire franchise. My first choice is Lindsay Lohan. If she can stay out of jail/rehab long enough and stay clean & sober, she'd be great in the role. She's young enough to still play an 18 or 19 year old, her natural hair colour is red, and she has the sexy curves that are perfect for the role. She'll just need to spend some serious time in the gym to tone up her arms, legs, and stomach. She looks too soft to be someone who spent her entire life living with the very industrial dwarves. My second choice is Michelle Trachenburg (Dawn from TV's Buffy The Vampire Slayer). Like Lindsay, she has the youth, the beauty, and the curves required for the role. She'll need to dye her hair red, but other than that she's perfect.

YOUNG WULFGAR: If this film is made soon enough, the perfect person to play Wulfgar as a boy is "Little Hercules" Richard Sandrak. He was only seven years old when I first read about him back in 2000. That would make him about 14 now. Just the right age to play the youngster who breaks his pole over Bruenor's head during the barbarian assault on Ten Towns. If they don't make the movie soon enough, and the role of Young Wulfgar is given to someone else, if he's tall enough he might be right for the role of the fully grown Wulfgar. I don't have a second pick for this role.

WULFGAR: This is the Wulfgar who recieves the warhammer Aegis Fang and will be with the group for the next four movies at least. If it takes five or six years to get Sojourn made, and if he's tall enough, then Richard Sandrak should play Wulfgar. The only other actor I can think of who would make a good Wulfgar is Tyler Mane (Sabretooth from The X-Men and Michael Myers from Rob Zombie's remake of Halloween). He's the right size, has the right build, has the right colour hair, has some big movies under his belt as an actor. My only concern is he may be too old to play Wulfgar as a 19 or 20 year old barbarian. He'd be perfect to take over the role in Passage To Dawn should the Drizzt movies ever get made and the franchise actually goes that far. If neither Richard Sandrak nor Tyler Mane can take the role, I'd have to go with a complete unknown.

AKAR KESSEL: I don't really know of any actors who would be perfect for this role, but I can think of a few who might do a good job. James Vanderbeek (Dawson's Creek, Varsity Blues) is a fair actor. I've never seen him in any villainous roles, but I think he could pull it off. Scott Caan (Varsity Blues, Ready To Rumble, Gone In 60 Seconds) is also a fair actor. Much like James Vanderbeek, I've never seen him play any villainous roles. But if he's anywhere near as good as his dad at being a villain, he'd be great. Or maybe Joshua Jackson (Dawson's Creek, The Skulls, The Mighty Ducks I-III, Urban Legend). Again he's never really played a villain, but some of his past roles were real creaps. Point is it should be someone relatively well known, young enough to be relevant, but old enough to look too old to be a wizard's apprentice.

KING HEAFSTAAG: I've only got one choice for this character. Mark "The Undertaker" Calloway. He's the perfect size, has the right hair colour, is the right age. And it's not a huge role so he doesn't have to worry about a lot of lines to memorize.

KING BEORG: Another role with only one choice. Terry "Hulk" Hogan. He's the right size, has the right hair colour (what's left of it), and is the right age. He's also had plenty of movie and television experience (No Holds Barred, Rocky III, Suburban Commando, Santa With Muscles, Thunder In Paradise, Mr. Nanny). Bad acting isn't much of a consideration because the character dies early in the story anyways.

ARTEMIS ENTRERI: This character is very minor in this movie, but as it's the first third of a trilogy it's important that he's properly cast, especially since he's going to be prominantly featured in the next four or five films (Streams Of Silver, The Halflings Gem, The Legasy, and Starless Night) First choice is Colin Farrel. He has the look and the build to play Artemis Entreri. He's also an A List actor who's name will help draw an audience and he did an excellent job as Bullseye in Dare Devil. Second choice is Christian Bale. He's a very good actor. He did an excellent job as a villain in American Psycho as well as in Shaft. He's very physically fit. And he's another A Lister. My third choice is Ray Parks, who is the guy who played Darth Maul in The Franchise Menace and Toad in The X Men . He's really well known among Sci-Fi geeks, he's a blackbelt in ninjitsu, and he has the perfect look for the role. Also, as he's no "A Lister", he'd be cheaper to hire. Finally, I would give the role to whichever actor didn't get the role as Drizzt. If for example, Orlando Bloom were cast as Drizzt, I'd probably give the role of Artemis Entreri to James Marsters. Marc Dacascos I would likely recast as Jarlaxl in The Legasy.

Tony Misfeldt
02-19-2008, 05:37 PM
I recently attended a book signing for Salvatore's new book, The Orc King. Someone brought this very thing up and was asking him who he'd like to see playing the role. His response was surprising. Apparently, Vin Diesel has expressed interest to him in playing Drizzt, and Salvatore seemed pretty amenable to that idea. Imagine that one! I'm having a hard time picturing it.

If they did start making the Drizzt Do'Urden movie franchise, I would cast Vin Diesel as Uthegental Del'Armgo in the movie version of Siege Of Darkness. He's the right height, weight, build, and with the right amount of acting talent to pull off that role. But not Drizzt. For Drizzt you'd need an actor who's under 6' tall (James Marsters is only about 5'7"), is extremely physically fit but not bulging (like Bruce Lee, not Sylvester Stallone), and can actually act. Vin Diesel just doesn't fit the bill in any way, shape or form.


I didn't like the first one because of the representation of dwarves. Dwarves are my favorite fantasy race, and they are almost universally portrayed in a comedic manner. Gimli in LotR was done well, but sometimes it came too close to comedic relief for my tastes.

The second was better in my view for several reasons:

1. Jeremy Irons as the BBEG.
2. The Greyhawk flavor really was portrayed well.
3. Magic and spells were portrayed well; as well as nicely done in CGI.
4. The CGI dragon kicked ass!

Are you saying that the second movie is better because it does NOT have Jeremy Irons as the BBEG? Or that it would have been better if it DID have Jeremy Irons as the BBEG?

I'd agree with the first one. If it's the second, ARE YOU NUTS?

Anaesthesia
02-19-2008, 07:50 PM
And a live action version of The Dragons Of Autumn Twilight as well as the five novels that follow would make for a very interesting series of movies. Certainly quite entertaining if they're done well.

Yes, I agree. :p

upidstay
02-20-2008, 06:39 AM
Brad Pitt would make a great Drizzt. Right size and build, he was great as Achilles in Troy.

Rachel Bilson would be a good Catti-Brie. Mostly because I'd like to see her in tight leathers. Anyone see her on the the cover of the latest Playboy wearing paint??? OMG!!!!!!

Drohem
02-20-2008, 10:58 AM
Are you saying that the second movie is better because it does NOT have Jeremy Irons as the BBEG? Or that it would have been better if it DID have Jeremy Irons as the BBEG?

I'd agree with the first one. If it's the second, ARE YOU NUTS?

I was confused on which movie Jeremy Irons was the BBEG; I was thinking of the second. Going from memory, I thought that the bald guy Azmath was the BBEG of the first movie. It's been a while since I've seen them, and they were only viewed once.

I am reasonably sure that I am not nuts. However, I suspect that it is highly subjective. Going from memory, I don't remember any specific references to Greyhawk from the first movie. However, I do remember very specific Greyhawk references and flavor of the second movie.

Overall, I liked the second movie way better than the first movie, and thought it a better representation of Dungeons & Dragons which captured some of the flavor and style well.

I thought that the first movie was a tall can of Cheese Whiz; whereas, I thought that the second was only a dallop of Cheese Whiz.

cplmac
02-20-2008, 12:17 PM
I only ever played D&D in the Dragon Lance setting a few times. However I have read quit a few of the Dragon Lance novels. And a live action version of The Dragons Of Autumn Twilight as well as the five novels that follow would make for a very interesting series of movies. Certainly quite entertaining if they're done well.


Yes, I totally agree with a live action version instead of the animated one that just came out. I would however like to see the novels that preceed The Dragons Of Autumn Twilight be made also. It would also be nice if they would make them in the oreder that they story progresses, as opposed to starting in the middle and then going back to the beginning and then jumping over to continue after the middle ones. As to who would play what characters, I'll let that up to the rest of you to choose, since I would be happy to just see this take place.

Anaesthesia
02-22-2008, 01:10 PM
I did manage to watch Dragons of Autumn Twilight. I would have prefered that they choose either 2d-animation or 3d, and not combined the two together (was it just my dvd player or did everyone else notice that it was very stiffly animated?). It felt like Hannah-Barbara and Rankin-Bass got together and had a child, which is Dragons of Autumn Twilight. I did not find most of the actors very believable nor felt that they believed what they were saying in character. That said, I did find 21 consistancy errors, (from a Techincal standpoint, it felt like the Director and the Editor both fell asleep the first 5 minutes of it and overlooked every error). The majority of the errors were items the party were carrying.

The inconsistancies as follows:
1.When Tas, Tanis and Flint are looking at the inn from the outside, you see their backs. Notice Tas does not have anything in his belt in this view. You see them approach the others, which Tas has his back to the camera. Tas has a Sword (dagger?) in his belt. In the next shot, you see Tas talking to Flint. The sword is not there any longer.

2.Tika comes over to the table and hands Tanis the scroll case with Kitiana's letter in it. Notice she moves her hand (with the scroll case) towards the center of the table. Tanis follows her hand foward to the center of the table. It would make more sense if Tanis moved his upper body around to take the scroll case from Tika.

3.When the High Theocrat is threatening Goldmoon, and the others come to her aid, Tanis seems to be either talking to Sturm (next to him) or outloud to himself. His next line, "Sturm, there is a lady to protect," he swings around (rather than turning his head) and looks toward Flint. Flint also appears to swing his head around to look at Tanis.

4."We can stop here for a moment before we turn that bend" the view of Tas (from back) the sword is not there. The Flint's next line, "For the record, I could keep going," Tas's sword reappears in his belt. When Tas goes off singing to scout, the sword disappears.

5.When Tas pulls Sturm's sword out of the stone Draconian, and falls on his rear end, his hoopak is attached to his belt. When he runs over to the Party ("There are more of those lizardy things"), Tas is holding what appears to be Sturm's sword. Then there is a cut seen to the Draconians, then back to the party, it appears the sword had shrunk/new sword entirely. Then when they run into Darken Wood, Tas no longer has a sword in hand(whatever form), he is holding his hoopak.

6.When they go into the Unicorn's scene (this character may or may not have a name, it's a long time since I've read the book), and the party is sitting at the table. The Unicorn says the line "Come to me, bearer of the Blue Crystal Staff." Notice that Goldmoon rises on "bearer."

7.When Tanis approaches the Unicorn (Goldmoon is already there), his Quiver and Bow are on his left shoulder. When the camera moves to show the Unicorn's view of them (on the line "Disks of Mishakal?"), the Quiver and Bow moved to his right shoulder. It is on the right shoulder when Raistlin approches.

8.When the party lands in the Plains of Abanasinia (the Pegasus are leaving), Tas's sword reappears.

9.When the party is running into the destroyed village, Tas's sword disappears (the sword is on him from the Plains, until here)

10.On Tanis's line to exit the collapsing building (via the secret passage), Tas does not have the sword, but on Tanis's next line "Riverwind!" you can see it has reappeared.

11.On Tas's line "Why can't you do that all-powerful mage?" Tas turns towards Raistlin and you can see the sword has returned to his belt, unsheathed. At the end of Raistlin's reply ("You dolt"), in the wide shot, the sword is not there.

(When made prisoner, the group is forced to give up weapons/belongings. Notice how many times Tas and Tanis have either the bags, weapon(sword) or a hilt)

12.How come the majority of the time they are in the prisoner caravan, Tas looks small enough to pass through the bars?

13. Tas's bags reappear while in this caravan, Fizban also has his bags. Tas has his bags until he mentions that they took his tools, so they could not get out. Tanis has a hilt/strap to hold his Quiver to his back on most of this scene.

14.Right after Goldmoon attempts to heal Brinna, the camera pans to view the party. You can see one of Tas's bags and the strap leading to the other. Note how the bag you can see does not have a strap drawn.

15.When the Caravan topples, as Tanis falls, you can see he has a sword in his hilt as he passes by. When he exits the caravan, it is not there.

16.On "This is our chance to escape." Tas's bags/equipment dissapear, and reappears on "Why didn't you do that before?"

17.When the party approaches wagon with their items, Tanis's bow, Flint's Dagger, and Raistlin's staff are all visible. When the camera pans the party seconds later, Tanis does not have his Quiver and Bow (or at least his bow), then both reappears when you see the rear view of the party and the Draconians approaching the party.

18.When following the Elves into their city, Tanis has his bow and Quiver at the beginning of this, and when he Walks with Riverwind (rear view) neither are there. When Riverwind and Tanis start talking, there is a series of disappearances and reappearances of the Quiver and Bow.

19.Going to the secret door to rescue the slaves/prisoners, Tas's sword is in his belt, sheathed. It reappears when he is talking to Fizban (casting Fireball), when he turns quickly, (Telling everyone to duck), it disappears.

20. On Verminaard's "Then you will die" Note where his morningstar ends-through him! He moves it from hand to hand, the bottom goes through him, as well as one of his hands.

21. Tas's sword appears when he comes out of the shaft, then disappears when the shaft collapses with Fizban in it.

Phew. Did anyone else notice any others? I feel like I should email them with all this. (Aren't you glad I got a BA in Technical Theater to notice all this?)

Drohem
02-22-2008, 01:18 PM
ACK!!! I am glad I didn't watch it. I'll keep my fond memories of DL intact, thank you very much. ;)

Farcaster
02-22-2008, 01:36 PM
Anaesthesia, I didn't notice any of that. Obviously I botched my perception check... But that is hilarious! Perhaps I was too distracted by the bad acting.

Anaesthesia
02-22-2008, 01:37 PM
ACK!!! I am glad I didn't watch it. I'll keep my fond memories of DL intact, thank you very much. ;)

I think I rate it a 4.5, not very great, and not particulary horrible (if you forget all your DL memories). I thought the dialogue in most cases didn't do the story or DL for that matter justice. The characters (for the most part) didn't remind me of the ones I've read of in DL. Let the brainwashing begin!! *lol* This is one time I'd say they could have made it more epic-movie-ish (like star wars or lotr), and not try to pass it off as some cheesy overly kid-friendly movie. ILM would have made a better movie. Last words to the makers of the movie: Focus, you morons!


Anaesthesia, I didn't notice any of that. Obviously I botched my perception check... But that is hilarious! Perhaps I was too distracted by the bad acting.


You have to have Craft(Costumes) as a skill!! I have a +8 to that. I went to school for costumes, so I'm overly aware of what characters are holding and wearing.

cplmac
02-22-2008, 09:01 PM
Tas should not be seen with a sword since Kender tender to use their hoopak 99% of the time. Now, if it is a dagger, I would buy that, somewhat. From what I remember of reading the Dragonlance novels, Tas only had a dagger when he got it off of someone else. Usually he never had it very long though.

nijineko
02-23-2008, 01:27 AM
bree-yark.

Anaesthesia
02-23-2008, 01:57 PM
Tas should not be seen with a sword since Kender tender to use their hoopak 99% of the time. Now, if it is a dagger, I would buy that, somewhat. From what I remember of reading the Dragonlance novels, Tas only had a dagger when he got it off of someone else. Usually he never had it very long though.

I know!! I couldn't decide half the time if it was suppose to be a dagger or a sword. It was kinda of annoying it would be there one second and gone the next. What the heck? There was that one scene where his hoopak frickin kept on disappearing.

Oh, by the way I was lurking on the Dragonlance movie forum and Berem is suppose to be in the refugees part of the movie (supposedly standing next to a half-naked lady :eek:). I haven't had a chance to verify this yet. (What?? I was power reading Dragons of Winter Night, with the exception of the last 1/3 of the book. It made me sad!)

Tony Misfeldt
02-23-2008, 03:34 PM
BUT I wanted an opinion on another D&D movie: Dragonlance The Movie (aka Dragons of Autumn Twilight). Apparently the DVD was released on January 15 08. here's the official site:http://www.dragonlance-movie.com

Anyone see it yet?

Okay, I've finally watched this movie. Maybe it's because I was going in with low expectations due to all the bad reviews on this thread, but I didn't think it was all that bad. It wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination, but I have deffinately seen worse. The animated versions of The Hobbit and Return Of The King for example. It was certainly better than the Dungeons & Dragons Saturday Morning Cartoon that I used to watch when I was a kid. It's maybe equals with the animated Lord Of The Rings movie as well as the animated film Fire & Ice. It's certainly better than the Superman vs Doomsday animated movie (which I felt was far too rushed and should have been a JLA movie). It's also way better than the animated Star Wars: Clone Wars features. I will agree that they should have picked either old fashioned 2D animation or 3D computer animation and stuck with it throughout the whole movie rather than making all dragons & draconians CGI and everything else 2D. It's also been a long time since I had read the novels, so I was a little fuzzy on how close to the book the story progressed. They likely cut large amounts out for time constraints, but unless you've read the book enough times to know exactly what's missing and where you probably wouldn't have even noticed. I didn't really notice all the continuity errors pointed out, but it's a cartoon and things like that happen far more often in cartoons than in live action films and TV shows.


I was confused on which movie Jeremy Irons was the BBEG; I was thinking of the second. Going from memory, I thought that the bald guy Azmath was the BBEG of the first movie. It's been a while since I've seen them, and they were only viewed once.

I am reasonably sure that I am not nuts. However, I suspect that it is highly subjective. Going from memory, I don't remember any specific references to Greyhawk from the first movie. However, I do remember very specific Greyhawk references and flavor of the second movie.

Overall, I liked the second movie way better than the first movie, and thought it a better representation of Dungeons & Dragons which captured some of the flavor and style well.

I thought that the first movie was a tall can of Cheese Whiz; whereas, I thought that the second was only a dallop of Cheese Whiz.

1) Jeremy Irons was the BBEG in the first movie, a wizard named Profion.

2) The bald guy I think you're referring to is Damodar, played by Bruce Payne. He was Profion's #1 henchman in the first movie, and the BBEG in the second movie.

3) I think you were confusing Damodar with the leader of the Theives Guild in the first movie. I don't recall if his name was Azmath, but he's the only other bald headed character of any significance in the movie.

4) You're right in that there were no Greyhawk references made in the first movie. However there were several Greyhawk references made in the second movie, which takes place in the same D&D world as the first film. Thus a Greyhawk setting is implyed.

nijineko
02-24-2008, 12:32 AM
retro-fitted! ^^

Tony Misfeldt
02-25-2008, 04:21 PM
Brad Pitt would make a great Drizzt. Right size and build, he was great as Achilles in Troy.

Rachel Bilson would be a good Catti-Brie. Mostly because I'd like to see her in tight leathers. Anyone see her on the the cover of the latest Playboy wearing paint??? OMG!!!!!!

While Brad Pitt would make a good Drizzt for the first few movies, he's in his early forties now and would be committing to the role for the next twenty or so years. Sorry but I can't imagine a sixty year old Brad Pitt being able to pull off the stunts necessary to play Drizzt, or having the perfectly smooth skin of a young drow. With someone in his twenties like Orlando Bloom, or in his thirties like James Marsters, and he might be able to pull it off.

Good call on Rachel Bilson, I didn't think of her. Or how about Natalie Portman in the role? Or Scarlet Johanson? They're both excellent actresses, totally hot, A List stars, and still look young enough to pull off playing a girl in her late teens/early twenties.

And I thought of one more actor who would be perfect as Artemis Entreri. I can't remember his name, but he played Darth Maul in The Franchize Menace and Toad in The X-Men. He's the right height, build, and complection for the role. He has the right colour hair, and a black belt in ninjitsu. And when sci-fi fans see his face in the trailers for Streams Of Silver, they'll deffinately flock to theatres to see it.

Tony Misfeldt
02-25-2008, 05:55 PM
These aren't D&D movies per se, in that they're not based on any novels, characters, or materials created or owned by TSR/WotC, however they are fantasy adventure film ideas that certainly have a D&D flavour. What do you think of...

THE SCORPION KING II: When we were introdused to the character of The Scorpion King in The Mummy Returns, he was a villain. Then in the spinoff, The Scorpion King, he was a hero. The Scorpion King II would have Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson reprising his role in which we learn how and why The Scorpion King turned heel (to use a little wrasslin' jargon). It would be sort of like the Star Wars prequels, only done in a way that doesn't totally suck.

RED SONJA: This would be a total remake of that horrid piece of crap from the 1980s that starred Brigit Nielson and Arnold Schwarzenegger. I would make it more violent (the blood in the original looked fake and the fights were poorly choreographed) and sexier (make Sonja wear a chain mail bikini, and show the reason why she hates men so vehemently). I'd deffinately lose the character of Prince Tarn Of Hablak and his manservant Falcon, or rewrite them so they're not so comedic. And for God sake, don't end the movie with her kissing Kalidor! If she decides to break her vow and kiss a man who has not defeated her in combat, have him die in her arms first. Then she's not kissing a man, she's kissing a corpse and therefore isn't breaking her vow.

THE BEASTMASTER: This would be a complete remake of the movie from the 1980s starring Marc Singer. I actually found the movie quite enjoyable except for the way the heroes won the fight against the Juns. Having the cannibal bird men swooping in to save the day felt like a deus ex machina to me. A cheap cop out. It would have been much better if after Dar killed the Jun Leader, the city gates opened and all able bodied men and women emptied out of the city withy sword, axe, and spear in hand and ran off the remaining Juns, who lost morale after the staggering losses from the flaming moat and the death of their leader.

WILLOW II: There was a novel written about the adventures of Elora Dannin after she was all grown up. I think it might make for a good movie. I've never actually read it, but the original was so well liked that the sequel would probably be a great hit, as long as it's done well.

CONAN THE CONQUEROR: This would be the third installment of the Conan franchize. Conan The Barbarian and Conan The Destroyer were actually supposed to be the first two thirds of a trilogy. Unfortunately the second movie was so badly done, and such a critical and commercial failure, that the third was never made. Now Ahnuld has retired from Hollywood to be the full time Governator of Kalafonia and won't be making any more Conan movies. Therefore I see two options for those of us who would like to see the trilogy completed. One, make the third movie with someone else in the role of Conan. In that case I would suggest iether Brian Thompson, Lou Ferrigno, or Dulph Lundgren for the role, as they're all the right size, age, build, and have all had a fair amount of acting experience. The second choice is to remake the first two movies with a whole new cast. In this case, Conan The Barbarian should be a near word for word remake of the original, except maybe adding a few elements from the novelization of the story. Like the wizard using spells to kill Thulsa Doom's men during The Battle Of The Mounds, or the fact that The Eye Of The Serpent ruby that Conan stole had mystical powers. And as for casting, I see it like this...

CONAN

1)Kevin Sorbo: He's a little small for the role, but put him on a high protien diet and stick him in the gym for a year and he'll look the part. Also, all those years playing Hercules makes him a natural pick for this role.

2)Tyler Mane: He's the right size for the role, with the right length hair, he just needs to dye it black. He didn't really get a chance to shine in Halloween or X-Men, but I think he has enough experience to pull it off.

3)"The Game" Triple H: He's the right size. Has the right build. Has the right length hair. His hair's the wrong colour, but that's what hair dye is for. Unfortunately, his nose is all wrong. I've read several descriptions of Conan having "raven black hair", not one ever said he had a big schnoz. He's also had some bit roles on various sitcoms, hosted Mad TV, and had a role in Blade Trinity.

4)"The Animal" Batista: He's the right size. He has the right build. He has the right hair colour (he'd have to grow it long, or at least long enough to put hair extensions in). He'd just need to shave off his soul patch and have the make up department airbrush out his tattoos. As far as I know he's never accepted any acting gigs, so I don't know how good of an actor he'd be.

5) "Big Poppa Pump" Scott Steiner: He's the right size, build, everything. He just needs to stop bleeching his hair and shave off his goatee. Once he grows his hair long again in its natural black, he'll totally look the part. He's another one who's never acted before, so I don't know how good he'd be. But he sure looks the part.

6) Kane Hodder: He played Jason Voorhees in Friday The 13th Part VII through to Jason X. Many fans of the franchize were upset that he wasn't cast to reprise the role in Freddy VS Jason. I saw a DVD for another movie he's starred in at the video store, in which he played Ed Gein, but I never watched it. Anyway, Kane Hodder has the right size, hair colour, build, and a fair bit of experience in front of the cameras. Only thing is, Jason's not really that challenging of a role (dramatically speaking) so I don't know if he has the acting chops to pull off playing Conan.

SUBOTAI

I only have one choice for this role, Al Leong. He usually get roles as nameless henchmen who rarely say anything, except maybe a martial arts kiai. You might remember him as Gangis Khan in Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, or the guy who tortured Mel Gibson in the first Lethal Weapon movie. Anyway, I think the role of Subotai should go to an Asian actor (the first guy was Peurto Rican) and this guy is way past due for a major role.

VALERIA

1) Lucy Lawless: It's a bit of typecasting, I know. But she did such a great job as Xena for so long that I think she'd be great in the role.

2) Victoria Pratt: Ditto! As mentioned before, she played an amazon queen in several episodes of Xena, and Sarge on Cleopatra 2525. In fact, she was the only reason I bothered watching Cleopatra.

3) Angelena Jolie: She did such an awsome job as Lara Croft in the Tonb Raider movies. Besides, she has no problems with doing love scenes or nudity on film (in fact, she rather enjoys it). And that's pretty much par for course in a Conan movie.

4) Uma Thurman: She looks an awful lot like Sandahl Bergman, who played Valeria in the original Conan. In fact they look as if they could be mother and daughter. She had to become quite the swordswoman in order to play The Bride in the Kill Bill movies. She's an excellent actress with an amazing, athletic body and a host of great (and not so great) movie roles under her belt.

THE WIZARD

Only one actor can play this character. Mako, the man who played him in the first two movies. Let's face it, Mako is The Wizard.

THULSA DOOM

1) Morgan Freeman: He's such a great actor, having done an excellent job in Glory, Se7en, Kiss The Girls, to name a few. If there's one African American actor who can play a powerful and charismatic evil wizard, it would be Morgan Freeman.

2) Samuel L. Jackson: Another great actor, he'd be able to do a lot of the more physically demanding scenes in the move (the attack on Conan's village, The Battle Of The Mounds, etc) that Morgan Freeman would have trouble with at his age. And the fencing training he had to go through to play Mace Windu in Attack Of The Clowns and Revenge Of The S#!t would also be very helpful in playing Thulsa Doom.

3) Wesley Snipes: He did a really good job as Blade in The Blade Trilogy. He's shown his skill at martial arts (or at least at faking it) in many films such as Passenger 57, The Art Of War, U.S. Martials, and the above mentioned Blade movies. Morgan Freeman and Sam Jackson might be the better actors, but Wesley Snipes is the more physical of the three.

spotlight
02-25-2008, 07:00 PM
AHAHHH!!! So someone wants a remake of Red Sonya? Well and good. However, I disagree with the thought that she hates men, after all it is very evedent that she is in love with A.S.'s character. The movie indecated that it was a vow of some sort that caused her to insist on being defeated before being 'taken'.

Otherwise, I liked that movie, but who would one chose nowdays to play Red Sonya? hmmm, food for thought.

Oh, by the way, if your looking to recast Conan, there is one stand out I personally think would really fit the bill.

THE UNDERTAKER..

nuf' said.

cplmac
02-25-2008, 09:32 PM
I know!! I couldn't decide half the time if it was suppose to be a dagger or a sword. It was kinda of annoying it would be there one second and gone the next. What the heck? There was that one scene where his hoopak frickin kept on disappearing.


So much for paying attention to detail!


Oh, by the way I was lurking on the Dragonlance movie forum and Berem is suppose to be in the refugees part of the movie (supposedly standing next to a half-naked lady :eek:). I haven't had a chance to verify this yet.


I believe that there are alot of animated movies with either scenes with "additions" or out of story dialogues inserted.


(What?? I was power reading Dragons of Winter Night, with the exception of the last 1/3 of the book. It made me sad!)


Have you read all three books of the trilogy? There is also the books that preceed these three.

Tony Misfeldt
02-27-2008, 06:19 PM
AHAHHH!!! So someone wants a remake of Red Sonya? Well and good. However, I disagree with the thought that she hates men, after all it is very evedent that she is in love with A.S.'s character. The movie indecated that it was a vow of some sort that caused her to insist on being defeated before being 'taken'.

Otherwise, I liked that movie, but who would one choose nowadays to play Red Sonya? hmmm, food for thought.

I liked it when I first saw it, but I was only a kid at the time. As I grew older and my tastes matured, I came to realize how poorly made it was. And as I've read more and more Red Sonja comics, I've also come to realize how far from the core material the movie drifted. And finally, I've noticed some local video stores stock this film in the "Comedy" section rather than the "Sci-Fi/Fantasy" section, or even the "Action" section. If that doesn't tell you how bad the movie is, nothing will.

Maybe "hatred of men" was a little inaccurate. "Distrust of men" would be closer to the truth. Anyway, I think the movie would have been much better if it were made NC-17 or Rated R rather than the PG-13 or 14A rating they made it under. And they should deffinately make a bigger deal about her vow. Make it very clear that if she ever breaks her vow, she will lose all of her fighting ability that had been granted her by her goddess.

As for who should play Sonja? How about Angelina Jolie? Or maybe Jessica Biel? Victoria Pratt would be a good choice if you don't have the budget to cast an A-List actress in the role. Anyone who has an athletic body, who doesn't mind nudity, and would look good in red hair would be a good choice. Maybe cast Ellen Page to play a young Sonja for Sonja's rape scene, as she's 20 but still looks 14.

Tony Misfeldt
02-28-2008, 10:25 PM
Oh, by the way, if your looking to recast Conan, there is one stand out I personally think would really fit the bill.

THE UNDERTAKER..

nuf' said.

I like The Undertaker, but I have to disagree with you about him being apropriate for the role of Conan. I think Mark's more suited to play Rexor, Thulsa Doom's second in command and High Priest of Set. Aside from my earlier suggestions as to who should play Conan, I'd like to add one more. Kane Hodder (aka Jason Voorhees from Friday The 13th Part VII - Jason X).

This was one of my suggestions on the other websites I started this topic on. In retrospect, I think it would make a better live action weekly Dungeons & Dragons TV series rather than a feature length Dungeons & Dragons movie. That would be a live action version of the Saturday Morning Cartoon Dungeons & Dragons. It would be like a cross between the shows Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Xena: Warrior Princess.

The show would start with the characters all on Earth. We get to see who they were, what they did, and why they were all at the amusement park together. Then they go on the Dungeons & Dragons themed roller coaster ride, and are magically transported to The Realm. Once there, they find the baby unicorn, Uni, being chased by orcs who are looking to throw her into their stew pot. The gang rescues Uni and runs off the orcs. That's when they meet The Dungeon Master and he explains to them where they are, gives them their magical weapons and native clothing, and sends them on their way to find a way home. Along the way they tangle with Venger The Lord Of Evil and Tiamat Queen Of The Evil Dragons. Then every episode, they try and find a way home. Some episodes, they almost succeed (like The Box, The Girl Who Dreamed Tomorrow, and The Dragons Graveyard). I know I'd watch a show like that (hell, I watched the cartoon it would be based on).

HANK THE RANGER
ROLE: Hank is the oldest of the six kids. He's the captain of the school's football team and their star quarterback. This helps explain why he gravitates to the role of party leader. When not at school, he's a really outdoorsy kind of guy. He and his dad go hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, and other nature type stuff together. He's an expert marksman and archer, which helps explain why Dungeon Master gives him the Energy Bow.
CAST: To play the role of Hank, I see Hayden Christiansen. He still looks young enough to play someone still in highschool, and he's athletic enough to do the role justice. If he's unable or unwilling to take the role, I'd go with a relatively unknown, young, prettyboy actor who looks like he could have starred on The O.C.

ERIC THE CAVALIER
ROLE: Eric is Hank's best friend from the football team. He's the team's star runningback, and the two of them make an unbeatable team. He's also from the towns wealthiest family, a snob, a horndog, and a sexist pig. His blueblood attittude helps explain why he's given the role of cavalier, and why Dungeon Master gives him The Griffon Shield.
CAST: I'm not sure of this actors name, but the perfect person to play Eric would be the guy who played Stiffler's little brother in American Pie: Band Camp. Not only is he just as good at being abnoxious as Sean William Scott was in the first three American Pie movies, but if you look at a picture of him and a drawing of Eric, they practically look identical!

SHEILA THE THIEF
ROLE: Sheila is hank's girlfriend. She's also the captain of the cheerleading squad. And when she's not out with Hank, in school, or at cheerleader practice, she's training for her blackbelt in karate (she has a third degree brownbelt). This helps explain why Dungeon Master gives her The Invisibility Cloak and the role of thief.
CAST: The first person I would offer this role to would be Lindsay Lohan. Mother Nature has already given her the red hair and freckles required for the role. Also, she's a talented actress (who has made some really bad choices lately) and she still looks young enough to play a highschool student. And if the tabloids are right, she needs the money. If Lindsay's unavailable (rehab/jail) or unwilling (it's TV), then I'd go with Michelle Trachenburg. She's just as young, pretty, and experienced as Lindsay is and she'd be willing to do TV. Hair and makeup will just have to dye her hair red and add freckles. If she can't or won't do it, go with a relative unknown.

DIANA THE AMAZON
ROLE: I know, I know! In the cartoon Diana's referred to as The Acrobat. However, with that sexy little fur bikini Dungeon Master put her in don't you think Amazon is more appropriate? Anyway, Diana is Shiela's best friend from the cheerleading squad. She's also the star of the schools gymnastics and track & field teams, where she excels at the javeline throw in the latter of the two sports. And as part of thier cheerleading routine, Diana twirls twin flaming batons. This helps explain why Dungeon Master gives her The Lightning Javeline and makes her an amazon/acrobat. She loathes Eric, yet is also strangely attracted to him in a wierd love/hate relationship (sort of like Cordelia and Xander in Buffy).
CAST: Years ago, I would have picked Stacey Dash to play Diana. However she's finally gotten to the point in her career where she can no longer play highschool students. So now I'd have to go with Tatiana Ali (she played Ashley on Fresh Prince Of Bel Air). She's young, pretty, black, and has plenty of experience working in front of TV cameras. If she can't or won't do it, I'd have to say go with a relatively unknown actress.

BOBBY THE BARBARIAN
ROLE: Bobby is Sheila's little brother. He's only about twelve or thirteen years old. He's also a total jock. He's on his schools wrestling team, which he goes to practice for on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. And he's also on his schools baseball team, which has practice on Tuesdays and Thursdays. On weekends, if there's not a city or state championship he has to play/wrestle for, he spends his spare time playing D&D with his best friend Presto. This helps to explain why it is that Dungeon Master gives Bobby The Thunder Club and makes him a barbarian.
CAST: My original pick for casting Bobby was always "Little Hercules" Richard Sandrak. However, as he's now 14 years old, he might be a little too old to play this role anymore (unless they were to get started on this project PRONTO). Therefore I'd have to say that the best choice would be to be to cast a complete unknown in the role of the correct age and build.

PRESTO THE WIZARD
ROLE: Presto is Bobby's best friend, his tutor, and his Dungeon Master when they play D&D together. Presto is a little older than Bobby, about 13 or 14 (depending on Bobby's age). They met when Presto agreed to tutor Bobby in various subjects so that all his exctracaricular sports activities don't cause his grades to fall. Presto's real name is Preston. However he drops the "n" for his stage name because he has aspirations to become the next David Copperfield. He's actually quite good at slight of hand, as long as he's practicing by himself. As soon as he's in front of an audience, even just one person, he chokes and botches the trick. In addition to magic, Presto is the president of the Peer Tutor's Club, The Science Club, The Math Club, The Chess Club, The Book Club, and the Sci-Fi Fan Club. He's also a total D&D geek, and he's the one who introduced Bobby to the game. It began when he promised Bobby they could do something fun after they finished his studies. When he was done, Presto brought out the D&D books and Bobby has been hooked ever since. Presto's love of stage magic and his interest in D&D an all things Sci-Fi and fantasy helps explain why Dungeon master made him a wizard and gave him The Hat Of Many Spells.
CAST: The best actor I can think of for this role is Johnathan Lipniki (from Jerry Maguire as well as The Little Vampire and Stuart Little 1 & 2). He should be about the right age by now. He's a talented and well known actor. He has the perfect look to play Presto. And his blonde hair is easily dyed red for the role. If he's unavailable or uninterested, then I'd say go with a relatively unknown actor. In fact, this whole show is an excellent vehicle for new and relatively unknown actors to become famous.

DUNGEON MASTER
ROLE: While exactly how the kids arrived in The Realm is never really explained in the cartoon (they just went on a D&D themed roller coaster at the amusement park and then found themselves in The Realm), in the live action version we'd be given a more complete explaination. Dungeon Master actually purposefully brought the kids over from their world into his. Venger and his minions have conquered much of The Realm, shifting the balance of power too heavily into the favour of Evil & Chaos. As Keeper Of The Balance, Dungeon Master cast a spell to find six people who have the inner strength and courage necessary to tip the balance of power closer to the side of Good & Law. He didn't know that the people who would be caught by the spell would be little more than children. Unfortunately, bringing people to The Realm is much easier than sending them home. So the kids have little choice but to remain in The Realm and fight the forces of evil while they try and find the way home. In the meantime Dungeon Master guides them by giving them advise, often in the form of cryptic riddles, and aides them as best he can.
CAST: I think the perfect actor to play Dungeon Master, is none other than Verne "Mini Me" Troyer. He's the perfect size (Dungeon Master is a gnome), and has the perfect look (Dungeon Master is bald). And in the cartoon, Dungeon Master can be a little on the silly side (walking on hot lava, cleaning his ears with a shard of sharp chrystal, etc) so Vern's natural talent for comedic characters won't be misplaced. I mean, stick Verne Troyer in a red robe with gold trim, glue a long white skullet to the back of his head, and you've got Dungeon Master. If Verne's unavailable, I say offer the role to Warwick Davis. He's just as famous, maybe an even better actor, and is almost as physically perfect for the role as Verne is. I'm not sure how keen he'd be on shaving his head for the role though.

VENGER

ROLE: Venger is the Nemesis of Dungeon Master and his six champions. He is some form of demon or otherworldly being (a cambion or some such) and a powerful wizard in his own right. He wants dominion over all of The Realm. In order to achieve this, he needs the magical weapons that Dungeon Master had bestowed upon the six kids. Thus he is constantly plotting to take the weapons from the heroes. Unfortunately, the magic of the weapons requires that they be given to thier new owners, they cannot be taken by force. As such, many of the adventures surrounding the six young heroes and Venger have to do with him trying to trick or force them into voluntarily giving him their weapons.
CAST: The first person I'd want to cast as Venger would be Gary Oldman. He did such an awsome job playing Count Dracula in Bram Stoker's Dracula as well as the corrupt DEA agent in Leon: Le Professional. There are few people who play a more convincing villain than Gary Oldman. Only real question would be whether or not he'd be willing to do television. If he's unavailable or uninterested in the role, my second choice would be Michael Ironside (V: The Original Miniseries, V: The Final Battle, V: The Series, Highlander 2: The Quickening, Total Recall, The Watcher, Scanners, etc). He's really well known, plays an excellent villain, and is willing and able to take a role on a television series.

Well, those are my thoughts on the subject. Share some of yours.

Tony Misfeldt
03-04-2008, 07:03 PM
Brad Pitt would make a good Drizzt. He was great in "Troy". It would be easier to get your girlfriend/wife (or girlfriend, as long as your wife doesn't catch you) to go see it.

I think Brad Pitt would be better suited to playing Tanis Half-Elven in a live action movie version of the Dragon Lance novels.

Anaesthesia
03-04-2008, 08:54 PM
Have you read all three books of the trilogy? There is also the books that preceed these three.

I have read Dragons of Autumn Twilight, Dragons of Winter Night, currently reading Dragons of Spring Dawning. I've also read several anthologies. Most Dragonlance books I need are on my Bookcrossing Wishlist; everything else is in my Mount To-Be-Read Box.

Tony Misfeldt
03-04-2008, 09:57 PM
I was confused on which movie Jeremy Irons was the BBEG; I was thinking of the second. Going from memory, I thought that the bald guy Azmath was the BBEG of the first movie. It's been a while since I've seen them, and they were only viewed once.

I am reasonably sure that I am not nuts. However, I suspect that it is highly subjective. Going from memory, I don't remember any specific references to Greyhawk from the first movie. However, I do remember very specific Greyhawk references and flavor of the second movie.

Overall, I liked the second movie way better than the first movie, and thought it a better representation of Dungeons & Dragons which captured some of the flavor and style well.

I thought that the first movie was a tall can of Cheese Whiz; whereas, I thought that the second was only a dallop of Cheese Whiz.

No, you're not nuts. At least no more than the rest of us. You just have a poor memory in regards to these two movies. If you had said that you thought that Jeremy Irons did do a good job as the BBEG and thus the first movie was superior to the second, then you would be nuts. As it is, I think you should watch both movies again, back to back, and then re-evaluate your overall opinion. Not that I disagree with the opinion that the second movie was superior to the first. But I think you should be making your judgements with the events of both movies are clear in your mind and you know who played which character in which movie.

Tony Misfeldt
03-04-2008, 10:21 PM
Another series of D&D novels I'd like to see transferred to film? The Avatar Trilogy! Here's how I see the casting...

Midnight................................ Rose McGowan

Kelemvor............................... Vin Diesel

Cyric.................................... Gary Oldman

Adon.................................... Brad Pitt

Elminster............................... Sean Connery

Bane's Avatar (in Shadowdale)... Brian Thompson

Myrkal's Avatar....................... Jim Carrey

Tony Misfeldt
03-04-2008, 10:30 PM
Hey people! I've just gone back and updated some of my previous posts on this thread, made some corrections, additions, etc. Please feel free to go back and take a look. Make comments on some of my changes. Refresh your memories about comments previously made but not necessarily resolved, etc. I just don't want the comments to die down because there have been some really interesting and entertaining discussions on this thread. Keep them coming. Critique my critiques. Critique my suggestions for future D&D movies. Critique my casting choices for those future D&D movies. It doesn't matter, speak your minds. That's what this thread is here for. Just please stay on topic, that's all I ask.

Tony Misfeldt
03-05-2008, 10:11 PM
As I mentioned on my first post, I had started this same discussion on another D&D gaming website. If you want to read some of the responces from there, check out...

www.vancouvergamingguild.com/forums/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=3267;sta rt=30#msg30833 (http://www.vancouvergamingguild.com/forums/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=3267;sta rt=30#msg30833)

You can also try www.wherethegamesare.com (http://www.wherethegamesare.com) but they've been "down for maintenance" for almost a year now, so I doubt you'll be able to log on. But it's worth a try.


So who do we need to know or contact about getting a good version of this made using real actors & actresses as well as cutting edge special effects. I'll heed your advice and save my money until it gets made right.

I've done some research and found the (alleged) contact information of a bunch of my favorite directors. Guys who would most likely do a good job of directing any of the movie suggestions we've made. Here they are (in no particular order)...

PETER JACKSON

FAO: Peter Jackson
Wingnut Films
P.O. Box 15-208
Miramar
Wellington
New Zealand

RON HOWARD

Ron Howard
c/o Creative Artists Agency
9830 Wilshire Boulevard
Beverly Hills, California
90212-1825
USA

JOHN MILIUS

John Milius
9336 W Washington
The Mansion
Culver City, California
90232
USA

ROB REINER

Rob Reiner
c/o Creative Artists Agency
9830 Wilshire Blvd
Beverly Hills, CA
90212
USA

or...

Castle Rock Entertainment
335 North Maple Drive
135
Beverly Hills,CA
90210
USA

or...

www.rob-reiner.com (http://www.rob-reiner.com)

You can also register at www.movieeye.com (http://www.movieeye.com) for free and find the contact information of virtually any celebrity you could ever hope to meet. I don't know how reliable any of these addresses are, or the Rob Reiner website, but it wouldn't hurt to write them and ask them to consider making some of these films. If you have the time and the ambition you could try rewriting the novels in script form and send them to them, maybe even buy them a copy of the books being put to film. Or you could simply write them a letter giving them the address of this website, right down to the thread location, and hope they log on, read our ideas and our comments, and say "Hey! These are some pretty good ideas! I think I'll do that!" The odds are between slim and none that that will happen, but anything's possible.

So go ahead, use this information to try and get these people to make more D&D movies, and hopefully they'll turn out better than the last two did. You never know, we just might see some results. Especially if we all write in. Like a letter writing campaign or something. Hey, stranger things have happened (like a man with almost no votes being named President of The United States... twice).

cplmac
03-06-2008, 09:05 PM
I have read Dragons of Autumn Twilight, Dragons of Winter Night, currently reading Dragons of Spring Dawning. I've also read several anthologies. Most Dragonlance books I need are on my Bookcrossing Wishlist; everything else is in my Mount To-Be-Read Box.

I liked the conversation between "Fizban" and Tas at the end of Dragons of Spring Dawning. If you pay attention to what is "said", it gives a person something to think about. After you finish reading, let me know what you thought about the series.



As I mentioned on my first post, I had started this same discussion on another D&D gaming website. If you want to read some of the responces from there, check out...

www.vancouvergamingguild.com/forums/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=3267;sta rt=30#msg30833 (http://www.vancouvergamingguild.com/forums/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=3267;sta rt=30#msg30833)

You can also try www.wherethegamesare.com (http://www.wherethegamesare.com) but they've been "down for maintenance" for almost a year now, so I doubt you'll be able to log on. But it's worth a try.



I've done some research and found the (alleged) contact information of a bunch of my favorite directors. Guys who would most likely do a good job of directing any of the movie suggestions we've made. Here they are (in no particular order)...

PETER JACKSON

FAO: Peter Jackson
Wingnut Films
P.O. Box 15-208
Miramar
Wellington
New Zealand

RON HOWARD

Ron Howard
c/o Creative Artists Agency
9830 Wilshire Boulevard
Beverly Hills, California
90212-1825
USA

JOHN MILIUS

John Milius
9336 W Washington
The Mansion
Culver City, California
90232
USA

ROB REINER

www.rob-reiner.com (http://www.rob-reiner.com)

You can also register at www.movieeye.com (http://www.movieeye.com) for free and find the contact information of virtually any celebrity you could ever hope to meet. I don't know how reliable any of these addresses are, or the Rob Reiner website, but it wouldn't hurt to write them and ask them to consider making some of these films. If you have the time and the ambition you could try rewriting the novels in script form and send them to them, maybe even buy them a copy of the books being put to film. Or you could simply write them a letter giving them the address of this website, right down to the thread location, and hope they log on, read our ideas and our comments, and say "Hey! These are some pretty good ideas! I think I'll do that!" The odds are between slim and none that that will happen, but anything's possible.

So go ahead, use this information to try and get these people to make more D&D movies, and hopefully they'll turn out better than the last two did. You never know, we just might see some results. Especially if we all write in. Like a letter writing campaign or something. Hey, stranger things have happened (like a man with almost no votes being named President of The United States... twice).

It seems like you done alot of homework. I'm not so good at being a writer, but then I guess the books have already been written, we're just looking for someone who can make the movies right. Let me know if I can be of assistance.

Tony Misfeldt
03-06-2008, 09:54 PM
It seems like you done alot of homework. I'm not so good at being a writer, but then I guess the books have already been written, we're just looking for someone who can make the movies right. Let me know if I can be of assistance.

I've still got some more research to do. I have a second copy of R.A Salvadore's Sojourn, and I'm thinking of sending it to one of the above mentioned directors in hopes of it becoming a movie. Once I get my own laptop computer, I'll even write the script out first. If you want to help get any of these movies made, I'd suggest you and anyone else who wants to help start writing letters. Buy copies of novels you'd like to see put to film (maybe reread them and highlight the sections you think should deffinately be in the film) and send them off to Peter Jackson, John Milius, Rob Reiner, or whoever else you think might make a movie that does the novel justice. As I said before, you never know. It might just work.

Another movie idea...

THUNDARR THE BARBARIAN: THE MOVIE

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER........................... George Lucas

WRITER............................................ .. John Milius

DIRECTOR.......................................... . Peter Jackson

THUNDARR.......................................... . Kevin Sorbo

OOKLA THE MOK................................... "The Big Show" Paul White

PRINCESS ARIEL THE SORCERESS............. Catherine Zeta-Jones

GEMINI THE EVIL WIZARD....................... Michael Ironside

This would of course be a live action feature length version of the old Saturday Morning Cartoon. I just don't want to see George Lucas directing it though. He'll just stick Kevin Sorbo, The Big Show, and Catherine Zeta-Jones all in front of a blue screen, add everything else in digitally, then hire Rich Little to provide the voices of all the other characters.

Tony Misfeldt
03-10-2008, 09:04 PM
Eh? What? This movie never existed and we will never speak of again, right?

They've also done Extended Director's Cuts of Highlander III and Highlander: End Game. While Highlander III was marginally better than Highlander 2: The Quickening, it still came up far short of the quality of the original Highlander. Highlander: End Game was superior to both of the other Highlander sequels, though that's probably because it was a continuation of the highly successful Highlander: The TV Series. Point being, while none of them quite lived up to fans or producer's expectations, they still made Special Extended Edition Director's Cuts of all of them. If they can do that for all those boxoffice flops, why not for Dungeons & Dragons?

Drohem
03-11-2008, 11:16 AM
For me the Higlander franchise consists of:

Highlander
Highlander: The End Game
Highlander: The TV Series

If tied down and forced to it, then I can marginally accept Highlander 3: The Final Dimension. Although, Mario Van Peebles and Kane were a stretch for me. The premise of the movie totally violated the concept of the Prize and there can only be one.

Tony Misfeldt
03-11-2008, 05:45 PM
For me the Higlander franchise consists of:

Highlander
Highlander: The End Game
Highlander: The TV Series

If tied down and forced to it, then I can marginally accept Highlander 3: The Final Dimension. Although, Mario Van Peebles and Kane were a stretch for me. The premise of the movie totally violated the concept of the Prize and there can only be one.

I agree (although I haven't seen the director's cut of Highlander III: The Final Dimension yet). However my point remains that producers have taken numerous movies which have been critical and box office failures and rereleased them on DVD as Extended Edition Director's Cuts. If they can do that with all those crappy Highlander sequels, why not do it with Dungeons & Dragons?

Tony Misfeldt
03-11-2008, 06:02 PM
TIM BURTON

Tim Burton
c/o Tim Burton Productions
8033 Sunset Blvd
Suite 7500
West Hollywood, CA
90046
USA

or...

c/o William Morris Agency
151 El Camino Drive
Beverly Hills, CA
90212
USA

GEORGE LUCAS

George Lucas
Industrial Light & Magic
3155 Kerner Blvd
San Rafael, CA
94901
USA

or...

P.O. Box 2459
San Rafael, CA
94912
USA

or...

P.O. Box 2009
San Rafael, CA
94912
USA

OLIVER STONE

Oliver Stone
201 Santa Monica
#610
Santa Monica, CA
90401
USA

or...

520 Broadway
#600
Santa Monica, CA
90401
USA

STEVEN SPIELBERG

Steven Spielberg
c/o Creative Artists Agency
9830 Wilshire Blvd
Beverly Hills, CA
90212
USA

or...

Dreamworks SKG
1000 Flower Street
Glendale, CA
91201
USA

or...

c/o Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA
90067

QUENTIN TARANTINO

Quentin Tarantino
c/o William Morris Agency
One William Morris Place
Beverly Hills, CA
90212
USA

or...

c/o A Band Apart
7966 Beverly Blvd
3rd Floor
Los Angeles, CA
90048
USA

or...

c/o A Band Apart
8439 W Sunset Blvd
West Hollywood, CA
90069-1921
USA

or...

5700 Wilshire Blvd
Los Angeles, CA
90036-3659
USA

JOSS WHEDON

Joss Whedon
Studio Fan Mail
1122 South Robertson Blvd
#15
Los Angeles, CA
90036
USA

or...

c/o Creative Artists Agency
9830 Wilshire Blvd
Beverly Hills, CA
USA

or...

c/o Mutant Enemy Productions
1000 Amherst Avenue
Los Angeles, CA
90049
USA

or...

c/o Mutant Enemy
P.O. Box 900
Beverly Hills, CA
90213
USA

or...

c/o UPN
11800 Wilshire Blvd
Los Angeles, CA
90025
USA

or...

c/o United Talent Agency
9560 Wilshire Blvd
#500
Beverly Hills, CA
90212
USA

Tony Misfeldt
03-13-2008, 10:22 PM
Well, those are all the big name Hollywood director/producers I could think of that might do the next D&D movie justice. If any of you have any other suggestions, please post them here and I'll look them up on www.movieeye.com (http://www.movieeye.com) and then post the contact information. Or you could simply sign up with www.movieeye.com (http://www.movieeye.com) yourselves and do your own contact information research. If you have credit cards and can afford the monthly fees, you can sign up for a better class of membership and also get celebrity email addresses. If you decide to do so, please post those addresses here so we can all email our favorite movie makers with D&D movie suggestions. The next writer/director/producer I look up will be the guys who made the first D&D movie. I think I'll print out a bunch of the comments from this thread and mail them to them to see if they can be persuaded to do a Special Extended Edition Director's Cut of the first one. As I said before, I think it would sell.

The Wandering Bard
03-14-2008, 06:36 PM
OK, I'm going to try and be neutral with this.

Dragons of Autumn Twilight

this movie was ok, the story was I would say 98% true to the books, I think this was in large part due to the fact that the Authors had a major hand in the movies creation.

Positives:
1)True to the story.
2)It was nice to see the book in movie form.
3) we got to see how (more or less) the Authors pictured the characters.

negitiaves: (where to start?)
1) the graphic SUCK!! I know computer animation is expensive but still I mean, even the artwork was bad. please if your going to use an older technique for a movie at least make it decent.
2) Thanks (you know who you are) for the massive list of bluppers. i noticed some of these errors, but not all. but they were painfully annoying.
3)what the HECK was that battle sence between Palindine and Takisis (Wrong spelling I know.) It was never mentioned in the book (as far as I can remember) i mean i know that the casual viewer would need an explaination for why the spells faded so quick but that was a lame way to go about it.
4) why did Tas have to sound so rude and sarcastic all the time??? Kender are inquisitive (an example. when goldmoon cast her spells, tas looks at Raist and say something along the lines of "Why can't you cast spells like that?" I mean I loved Tas in the book but I would have slapped the crap out of him if I were Raist.
5)didn't Riverwind die in the book? what a great way to show Goldmoons power then that part where she raises him back from the dead with her gods power? time constraints I know but that would have been both moving and show the power of the Good Gods as well.

anyways enough of my ranting. :)

Anaesthesia
03-14-2008, 08:39 PM
5)didn't Riverwind die in the book? what a great way to show Goldmoons power then that part where she raises him back from the dead with her gods power? time constraints I know but that would have been both moving and show the power of the Good Gods as well.


Not 100% positive but I do remember him getting hit with some Acid-I couldn't tell you if he died from that incident or not.

ETA- From Wikipedia:
"It is in one of those sequences, against the black dragon Khisanth in Xak Tsaroth, where Riverwind is mortally wounded by the dragons' acid breath. However, Goldmoon, after meeting the soul of her mother and the goddess Mishakal, goddess of healing, is able to restore him to health."

Tony Misfeldt
03-15-2008, 12:16 PM
JERRY BRUCKHEIMER

Jerry Bruckheimer
c/o Jerry Bruckheimer Films
1631 10th Street
Santa Monica, CA
90404
USA

or...

Jerry Bruckheimer
13822 Highwood Street
Los Angeles, CA
90049
USA

Tony Misfeldt
03-15-2008, 12:54 PM
OK, I'm going to try and be neutral with this.

Dragons of Autumn Twilight

this movie was ok, the story was I would say 98% true to the books, I think this was in large part due to the fact that the Authors had a major hand in the movies creation.

Positives:
1)True to the story.
2)It was nice to see the book in movie form.
3) we got to see how (more or less) the Authors pictured the characters.

negitiaves: (where to start?)
1) the graphic SUCK!! I know computer animation is expensive but still I mean, even the artwork was bad. please if your going to use an older technique for a movie at least make it decent.
2) Thanks (you know who you are) for the massive list of bluppers. i noticed some of these errors, but not all. but they were painfully annoying.
3)what the HECK was that battle sence between Palindine and Takisis (Wrong spelling I know.) It was never mentioned in the book (as far as I can remember) i mean i know that the casual viewer would need an explaination for why the spells faded so quick but that was a lame way to go about it.
4) why did Tas have to sound so rude and sarcastic all the time??? Kender are inquisitive (an example. when goldmoon cast her spells, tas looks at Raist and say something along the lines of "Why can't you cast spells like that?" I mean I loved Tas in the book but I would have slapped the crap out of him if I were Raist.
5)didn't Riverwind die in the book? what a great way to show Goldmoons power then that part where she raises him back from the dead with her gods power? time constraints I know but that would have been both moving and show the power of the Good Gods as well.

anyways enough of my ranting. :)

I agree with pretty much everything you said.

1) I think the reason behind the problems with the animation was probably that they were trying to be inovative by mixing old school 2-D animation with the newer 3-D computer animation. They probably remembered watching the animated Lord Of The Rings film when they were kids, and how the producers combined 2-D animation with painted over live action to great effect and wanted to emulate that.
2) I don't think the film makers chose how the characters were going to look. By the looks of the film, I think the animators, directors, and producers were probably basing the movie more on the Dragon Lance comics than the original novels. The artwork certainly looks the same. The writers probably based their scripts more closely to the original novels than the comics, however, since the comics cut huge chunks out of the stories for whatever reason.
3) I think the battle between Palentine and Takisis is forgivable, for as you mentioned the casual viewer would need an explanation as to why all clerical spells had failed. While D&D and Dragon Lance fans would want movies that are written just for them, movie producers have to look at the bigger picture and make movies that would appeal to a wider base of people. That's why I think the Drizzt Do'Urden movies should start with Sojourn rather than Homeland. I just don't think the casual viewer would understand the nuances of infravision, and it would be tricky (if not more expensive) to film it in a way as to make the audience understand that they are watching the movie as it would be seen in infravision rather than normal light conditions.
4) I too found Tas to be very rude and annoying. It's been a while since I've read the Dragon Lance novels, but from what I remember Tas was more witty than rude. He was the party's comic relief (him along with Fizban). I think alot of his funniest material was probably cut from the script or left on the proverbial "cutting room floor" (today's cutting room floor is the trash can icon of a computer).
5) As I mentioned before, I didn't notice all those continuity errors in the film. But I tend to be more forgiving of those with cartoons than I am with live action movies. Like in Conan The Barbarian when Thulsa Doom shoots Valeria with his enchanted snake arrow, he shoots her in her right side. Yet when Conan and Subotai pull the snake from her body, they pull it from her left side. CONTINUITY POLICE! CONTINUITY POLICE!

Valkier Silverwing
03-15-2008, 03:15 PM
haha Agreed. if your going to make a movie (especially one that really relies on a selected fan base) you should try to keep it as close to the story as possible. but really how hard can consistancy really be?? (this is being spoken by some one ignorant on the subject of animation, and movie production).

Anaesthesia
03-15-2008, 03:20 PM
5) As I mentioned before, I didn't notice all those continuity errors in the film. But I tend to be more forgiving of those with cartoons than I am with live action movies. Like in Conan The Barbarian when Thulsa Doom shoots Valeria with his enchanted snake arrow, he shoots her in her right side. Yet when Conan and Subotai pull the snake from her body, they pull it from her left side. CONTINUITY POLICE! CONTINUITY POLICE!

Is that an open invitation? :p


haha Agreed. if your going to make a movie (especially one that really relies on a selected fan base) you should try to keep it as close to the story as possible. but really how hard can consistancy really be?? (this is being spoken by some one ignorant on the subject of animation, and movie production).

I'm not an expert on animation-but how hard is it to *not* draw Verminaard's mace through himself?

The Wandering Bard
03-16-2008, 08:07 PM
hahaha yeah I will have to watch that part over again...thats one I missed.

Tony Misfeldt
03-17-2008, 10:50 PM
Is that an open invitation? :p


Take it however you want.

Now this might be a little off topic, as it's not a sword & sorcery movie, but it is Sci-Fi/Action so in a way it is apropriate to the subject at hand. Has anyone seen the Superman VS Doomsday animated movie? What are your thoughts? I for one was sadly disapointed in it. They tried to cram The Death Of Superman and The Return Of Superman into one 90 minute movie. That type of material requires one 2 hour movie for each story. Seriously, the animated version of The Lord Of The Rings was more complete and true to the original material.

Here are the changes I would have made...

1) It should have been a JLA movie, not just a Superman movie. However, instead of using the JLA members from The Death Of Superman comics, I would have used the classic members (Wonder Woman, The Flash, Batman, Hawk Girl, Martian Manhunter, and Green Lantern) and maybe a few new younger members (Black Canerry, Night Wing, and Supergirl).

2) The lines and actions of Blue Beetle I would have given to Night Wing, as he and Blue Beetle both seem not to have any actual super powers. They're both just really good fighters wearing goofy costumes.

3) The lines and actions of Maxima, Fire, and Ice I would have divied up between Wonder Woman, Hawk Girl, Black Canerry, and Supergirl. For example, when Maxima doesn't want to take Blue Beeltle to the hospital because "she's a warrior and her place is in battle", that scene would be between Black Cannery and Hawk Girl instead of Maxima and Ice. Or when Maxima throws Doomsday into a department store, that would be Supergirl and her inexperience and youthful enthusiasm in place of Maxima's callous look at collateral damage.

4) The actions and lines of Guy Gordon I would have divied up between The Flash and Green Lantern. Guy's attempt to take on Doomsday single handed, for example, would be taken over by The Flash (for in the cartoon The Flash is the arrogant one). And when the whole JLA is blasting Doomsday with their combined range attacks (heat vision, laser blasts, flames, etc) Green Lantern will be using his power ring.

5) The actions and lines of that dude with the niffty power suit with all the little gadgets (lasers, force fields, etc) will be given to Batman. Just like the other guy, Batman is just a really good fighter in a costume with alot of cool gadgets. He'd probably have a prototype of some sort of power suit in the JLA jet (a predecessor to the black and red Batsuit from Batman Beyond) for these sorts of emergencies.

6) The lines and actions of that black guy (Bloodhound, Bloodhunter, or whatever his name is) would be divied up between Martian Manhunter and Supergirl. As far as I know, Martian Manhunter can't shoot lasers from his eyes, but Supergirl does have heat vision. Thus when that blood guy tried to deliver a knockout punch on Doomsday at the oil refinery, that would be changed to Martian Manhunter. When Doomsday redirects that blood guy's eye beams and causes him to almost inadvertantly kill an innocent family, that would be changed to Supergirl.

7) The killing blow should have been the same in the movie as it was in the comic book. In the movie, Superman grabbed Doomsday from behind, flew him up to the atmosphere, then drove him down in the world's largest German suplex. In the comic, Superman and Doomsday punched each other at the same time. The comic came first, therefore the movie should have stayed true to the original material.

8) The Movie should have ended with Superman's funeral. Then it should have continued with a second movie, Superman Lives.

9) In Superman Lives I would also have stayed truer to the original material. In Superman VS Doomsday they combined the characters of The Eradicator and Superboy into one character. I would have used all the characters from the comics (Superboy, The Eradicator, The Cyborg, and Steel). That would have made for a much better movie.

10) I would have loved for this movie to have been live action. If they do it well enough, that would totally rock!

cplmac
03-18-2008, 11:00 AM
Is that an open invitation? :p



I'm not an expert on animation-but how hard is it to *not* draw Verminaard's mace through himself?

Haven't seen the movie yet, so I ask if while the mace was through himself, did Verminaard say one of the commands to use a power of his mace? If I am remembering correctly, nightbringer was given to him by Takhisis.

Tony Misfeldt
03-20-2008, 08:57 PM
I'm not an expert on animation-but how hard is it to *not* draw Verminaard's mace through himself?

There are several reasons why the animators left so many continuity errors in the movie. One possibility is the whole project became a peeing contest between the 2D animators and the CG animators. Because computer animation takes less time and effort than 2D animation, Team 2D rushed their work and it came out sloppy with all the above mentioned errors. More likely, the producers financing this project became frustrated with the film which ended up being behind schedule and over budget. Eventually the animators were given the choice of finishing the movie or scrapping the whole thing. As a result the movie went past the theatres, straight to DVD, and full of mistakes. The same thing happened to George Lucas back in 1977 with the first Star Wars. That's why, when it came out, you had things like the tennis shoe in space and the storm trooper hitting his head as he entered a room in the film. It's only my opinion, but that's probably what happened with Dragons Of Autumn Twilight.

Tony Misfeldt
03-25-2008, 07:06 PM
Is that an open invitation? :p


1) Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 1, Episode 2: The Harvest
When Xander and Willow are making a list of things to look up on the internet to help Giles research The Harvest, Xander's hair is shorter than it was earlier in the episode. This is because the scene was shot at the end of the season after they thought they were done. Then in post production they found out that the episode was several minutes short of what they needed to fill the hour. But by that time Nicholas Brendon had had a hair cut, so they had to mess up his hair and try and make it look the same as it did earlier and later in the show.

2) Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 2: Halloween
When all the kids in Sunnydale transform into whatever they're dressed as and Willow becomes a ghost, she can't touch anything. Then she takes Giles to the costume shop where everyone who changed bought thier costumes from and they meet Ethan Rayne, and Giles tells her to leave so she won't have to see him beating information out of Ethan. But when she leaves, you can hear her open and close the store doors (remember, she's a ghost and can walk through walls).

3) Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 5
This is the episode where Spike tells Buffy about how he killed two slayers after she was nearly killed in a fight with a vampire. Spike's story starts with him becoming a vampire after being humiliated at a ritzy party. He runs into Angelus, Dharla, and Druscilla, and Druscilla sires him. But in the episode where Spike and Druscilla are first introduced in Season 2, Spike said that Angel was his sire. Quote: "You think you can fool me? You were my sire man! You were my... Yoda!"

Tony Misfeldt
04-10-2008, 01:31 PM
The people responsible for the atrocity that was Dungeons & Dragons: The Movie were Courtney Solomon (director and producer), Topper Lilien and Carol Cartwright (the writers). I tried finding their contact information in the Movie Eye celebrity database, but they weren't listed. I guess they aren't famous enough to be considered celebrities. I think the movies cinematographer was very well known though. I'll try him next.

Frobozz
04-10-2008, 01:40 PM
Worst movie I ever payed to go see. I felt like I was watching a Nickelodeon special rather than a production movie.

Everything was terrible about it. I don't even see the name as something that a movie should ever carry except to try to cash into the D&D crowd, and if the movie is good, they'll see it anyways.

Bad writing, bad directing, bad acting, bad writing, bad effects, bad casting, did I mention bad writing?

tesral
04-10-2008, 09:55 PM
Bad writing, bad directing, bad acting, bad writing, bad effects, bad casting, did I mention bad writing?

Trying to say something here?

Funny, but the D&D novel was actually decent, the first one that is. Quag Keep. Then with Andre Norton writing it, it had a decent chance of being decent. It wasn't the best piece of fantasy writing I've ever encountered, but it was readable.

The couple of D&D novels I have found myself reading for lack of something better to do I can't say I hated. Great literature they were not. At least as good as the average Star Trek novel.

The point of any branding is to get the fans to buy into it. I like a good fantasy film, however the minute it starts getting branded, I tend to shy off on the principle that "if it was good, they wouldn't need to do that."

Anaesthesia
04-11-2008, 03:01 PM
Now that we covered the so-called "professional" D&D Movies, what about the Fan made ones? Like "The Gamers?"

tesral
04-12-2008, 01:09 AM
Now that we covered the so-called "professional" D&D Movies, what about the Fan made ones? Like "The Gamers?"

It's more of a documentary, not a fantasy genre film.

Tony Misfeldt
04-12-2008, 02:25 PM
Now that we covered the so-called "professional" D&D Movies, what about the Fan made ones? Like "The Gamers?"

Never seen it. The Fan Film Choices on the boxed set of the animated Dungeons & Dragons TV series was pretty good, if a bit short. Hank took his first life in trying to obtain a map back home and was having a crisis of concience. Then he and Shiela are attacked by one of Venger's orcs and Hank nearly gives into his rage and kills him too. I would have liked to see that story continued, perhaps in a similar way the Pink Five fan films for the Star Wars franchise are done. Log onto ww.atomfilms.com if you want to see more of those Star Wars fan films.

Okay, I've tried every writer, director, and cinematographer on both D&D movies. None of them are listed in www.movieeye.com (http://www.movieeye.com). So I guess we can't track them down and beat them to death with that God awful prop they used as a sceptor in the first movie. DAMN!

tesral
04-12-2008, 10:19 PM
The thing is that there are a many good D&D films out there. You know, the brave adventurers forth going on a quest of great import type thing. They simply are not labeled as D&D movies, but they are.

LofR (how can we forget). Krull, The two Conan films, Hawk the Slayer and many others. All have the classic multi discipline party and the quest.

Tony Misfeldt
04-15-2008, 01:47 PM
The thing is that there are a many good D&D films out there. You know, the brave adventurers forth going on a quest of great import type thing. They simply are not labeled as D&D movies, but they are.

LofR (how can we forget). Krull, The two Conan films, Hawk the Slayer and many others. All have the classic multi discipline party and the quest.

I can't believe you listed Conan The Destroyer as one of your examples of "good D&D films". Sure, they had the multi desciplined party out on a quest. But it was so badly written, with terrible special effects that it's a hollow shell of its predecessor. Plus, they toned down the violence and completely eliminated the sex and nudity to give it a PG rating, when the original was rated R. Honestly, how many Conan comics have you read where Conan didn't get laid? I can't think of even one.

Malruhn
04-16-2008, 09:15 PM
How could they not revise the movie, though?? She was a teenage VIRGIN fer cryin' out loud!!

Tony Misfeldt
04-17-2008, 06:47 PM
How could they not revise the movie, though?? She was a teenage VIRGIN fer cryin' out loud!!

Yeah, like Conan wouldn't have tapped that. He would've split her like wet pine and then flipped her over and gone in through the back door.

revolution 9
04-17-2008, 08:43 PM
I liked the second D&D movie. Had the basic classes, monsters, etc. The first one was abominable.

I liked the first Conan. The second one was terrible.

Tony Misfeldt
04-18-2008, 04:45 PM
I was confused on which movie Jeremy Irons was the BBEG; I was thinking of the second. Going from memory, I thought that the bald guy Azmath was the BBEG of the first movie. It's been a while since I've seen them, and they were only viewed once.



Azmath was the town they had to travel to in order to get The Dragons Eye ruby from the thives guild. The bald guy who ran the guild was called something else (I can't remember). Damodar was Profion's lead henchman and the BBEG of the second movie.


I liked the second D&D movie. Had the basic classes, monsters, etc. The first one was abominable.

I liked the first Conan. The second one was terrible.

My sentiments exactly!

russdm
04-19-2008, 04:29 PM
Azmath was the town they had to travel to in order to get The Dragons Eye ruby from the thives guild. The bald guy who ran the guild was called something else (I can't remember). Damodar was Profion's lead henchman and the BBEG of the second movie.

His name was Xilius. I am unsure of spelling. He was played by Richard 0'Brien. He played Riffraff in Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Tony Misfeldt
04-23-2008, 01:39 PM
Another D&D style movie I'd love to see....

National Lampoon Presents...

BORED OF THE RINGS

CAST

Goodgulf Greytooth................................... Leslie Nielson

Dildo Bugger............................................ "Buthgar" from Willow

Frito Bugger............................................ Warwick Davis

Spam Gangree......................................... Verne Troyer

Moxie Dingleberry..................................... "Migosh" from Willow

Pepsi Dingleberry...................................... "Mickey" from Seinfeld

Tim Benzedrino........................................ . Christopher Lloyd

Hashberry......................................... ....... Courtney Love

Stomper/Arrowroot.................................... Jim Carrey

Gimlet............................................ ......... Bret Beatty

Legolam........................................... ....... James Marsters

Bromosil.......................................... ........ Randhal "Tex" Cobb

The Jolly Green Giant................................. "The Big Show" Paul White

Tony Misfeldt
04-29-2008, 10:12 PM
I'd also like to see a remake of Excalibur. The first one was okay, but as Tesral has pointed out on another thread, there were some flaws that could be ironed out in a remake. You know, little things like Arthur and his knights actually taking their armor off every once in a while. In the original they pretty much wore their armor 24/7. I'd have them wearing it only for battle and for arthur's wedding ceremony. I'd also make Merlin and Morgana's magic a little flashier (you know, more spells that go "BOOM").

tesral
05-01-2008, 05:29 AM
I'd also like to see a remake of Excalibur. The first one was okay, but as Tesral has pointed out on another thread, there were some flaws that could be ironed out in a remake. You know, little things like Arthur and his knights actually taking their armor off every once in a while. In the original they pretty much wore their armor 24/7. I'd have them wearing it only for battle and for arthur's wedding ceremony. I'd also make Merlin and Morgana's magic a little flashier (you know, more spells that go "BOOM").


Not really appropriate to the genre. Arthurian lore doesn't have "spells that go boom". Frankly Aurthur is a theme that I think deserves a rest. There are dozens of Aurthur themed films. Let's do something original. Hollyweird seems to have forgotten "original".

Tony Misfeldt
05-02-2008, 03:01 PM
Not really appropriate to the genre. Arthurian lore doesn't have "spells that go boom". Frankly Aurthur is a theme that I think deserves a rest. There are dozens of Aurthur themed films. Let's do something original. Hollyweird seems to have forgotten "original".

True enough. Though as the interest in this discussion has lagged as of late, I thought a few new entries might liven things up a bit. But doing a remake of Excalibur with better special effects and more magic would be a good idea. After all, I believe the saying goes that "There are only 9 movie plots that are used over and over again" (or something to that effect). And I'd still like to see a movie version of Bored Of The Rings. The book was a hoot, and the movies are ripe for parody.

agoraderek
05-02-2008, 03:35 PM
ok, finally saw the D&D movie. makes beastmaster look like citizen kane...

tony, i LOVED bored of the rings. wouldnt mind seeing the movie. who plays the elf chick who tries to seduce frito?

Tony Misfeldt
05-03-2008, 02:34 PM
ok, finally saw the D&D movie. makes beastmaster look like citizen kane...

tony, i LOVED bored of the rings. wouldnt mind seeing the movie. who plays the elf chick who tries to seduce frito?

I don't know if they'd put that in the movie, as it was only at the very beginning of the book as a teaser and then never used in the actual story. Although I suppose they could sqeeze it in. Personally, I'd like to see Sara Michelle Gellar in the role. She really hasn't done much since Buffy and I loved that show.

agoraderek
05-03-2008, 05:34 PM
I don't know if they'd put that in the movie, as it was only at the very beginning of the book as a teaser and then never used in the actual story. Although I suppose they could sqeeze it in. Personally, I'd like to see Sara Michelle Gellar in the role. She really hasn't done much since Buffy and I loved that show.

yeah, i hated that it was just a teaser...

she'd do, but i always pictured someone dark haired and smoky, like a young linda fiorentino type.

Tony Misfeldt
05-05-2008, 03:08 PM
Not really appropriate to the genre. Arthurian lore doesn't have "spells that go boom". Frankly Aurthur is a theme that I think deserves a rest. There are dozens of Aurthur themed films. Let's do something original. Hollyweird seems to have forgotten "original".

Good point. But in many of those Arthur themed films, they were all swords and no sorcery. I'd like to see one more with a full on swords & sorcery flare. In all the Kid/Yankee/Astronaught/MacGuyver In King Arthur's Court movies, the only "magic" was what brought Future Boy into Camelot in the first place. Usually it was all an halucination brought on by head trauma, accidental electrocution, or smoking too much Ol' Toby. First Knight? All swords, no sorcery. King Arthur? All swords, no sorcery. The Last Legion? All swords, no sorcery. I'd like to see one more attempt, with the full on swords & sorcery treatment. Perhaps add a wizards deul between Morgana and Merlin (kind of like the one between Eg Shin and Lo Pan in Big Trouble In Little China, or between Dumbledore and Voldemorte in The Order Of The Pheonix).


yeah, i hated that it was just a teaser...

she'd do, but i always pictured someone dark haired and smoky, like a young linda fiorentino type.

How about Charisma Carpenter then? She has the hot looks, the dark hair, the smokin' body (besides, I just love that name, CHARISMA)... She also hasn't really done much since Buffy and Angel ended.

Tony Misfeldt
05-05-2008, 03:31 PM
THUNDARR THE BARBARIAN: THE MOVIE

Okay, I've been doing some reading and figuring on this subject lately, and I've come up with some new thoughts and additions to my original suggestions. I'll list them here now:

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER

GEORGE LUCAS: This hasn't changed. With the simiarities between Moks and wookiees as well as sunswords and lightsabres, the only way to make this movie without Mr. Lucas raising a stink about copyrights is to have him produce the movie. But he's still not allowed to make any decisions reguarding special effects! Besides, he needs to redeem himself in the eyes of many of the fans who he let down with those catastrophes known as Star Wars Episodes I - III, and this movie is just the way to do that.

DIRECTOR

PETER JACKSON: This hasn't changed either. And the reason's the same five words. The Lord Of The Rings. 'Nuff said.

STEVEN SPIELBERG: Two words. Jurassic Park. 'Nuff said.

JERRY BRUCKHEIMER: He's my third choice for director. The reason? Five words, The Pirates Of The Caribbean. 'Nuff said.

JOHN MILIUS: His name might not be at the tip of everyone's tongues as one of the all time great directors. But he did a brilliant job directing Conan The Barbarian. And Dino De Laurentis really dropped the ball in not hiring him back to write and direct the sequel. I'm confident he'd do just as good a job with this barbarian as well.

WRITER

JOHN MILIUS: Same reasoning as before. Three words, Conan The Barbarian. 'Nuff said.

OLIVER STONE: He cowrote Conan with John Milius. They were a great team then, they could be a great team again.

BUZZ DIXON: He wrote the script for the Thundarr The Barbarian Movie. He was also one of the writers for the show and as such is intimately familiar with the characters. He should deffinately be brought in on the writing team.

THUNDARR THE BARBARIAN

KEVIN SORBO: He did an excellent job playing Hercules on TV for all those years. He also did a very good job playing Kull The Conqueror. And his portrayal of Dylan Hunt on TV's Andromeda was very good as well. His hair is the wrong colour, but he can dye it, and when he wears it long he looks very much like thundarr does in the cartoon. He's also very muscular, though I think he may have to bulk up a bit for the role.

TYLER MANE: He has the right length and colour hair, the right size, shape and body type. He looks very much like Thundarr does in the cartoon. His only weakness is that he's had very little experience playing anything other than a grunting thug or a silent homicidal maniac. However he did a very good job playing a computer game programmer in How To Build A Monster. That showed me he has much untapped potensial just waiting to come out.

DULPH LUNDGREN: He's my first "Straight To DVD" pick. He's the right size. He has the right colour hair. The right build and body type. He's very physically fit. He's a very well known actor. His only weakness is his age. I think he's too old to play Thundarr. If they had made this movie back around the time he played He-Man, he'd be perfect. Today? I'm not so sure.

KANE HODDER: Another "Straight To DVD" pick. He's the right size, the right build, the right body type. Everything the others have, he's got. He wears his hair long, which is good. But it's black, which isn't so good but can be fixed. His biggest weakness is much the same as Tyler's. So far his acting resume consists of playing Jason Voorhees in Friday The 13th VII through to Jason X. His role of Ed Gein may have been more challenging, but I've never seen it so I don't know. He is quite articulate in interviews though, so that may translate into being a good actor.

PRINCESS ARIEL THE SORCERESS

TIA CARERE: I've been reading alot about Thundarr recently, and on several websites it's speculated that Ariel is of Asian descent. With that in mind, I choose Tia Carere. She's beautiful, athletic, plays a convincing scholar on Relic Hunter, and isn't afraid of nudity on screen. She also played the evil sorceress in Kull The Conqueror, so she's used to playing such roles.

LUCY LIU: She's beautiful. She's done everything from action to comedy and everything in between. She did a really good job in the Charlie's Angels movies. I just don't know if she'd be willing to do any nude scenes (I can't remember her being nude in any of her movies anyway).

KRISTIN KRUEK: She's very beautiful and exotic looking, being half Chinese and half white. She does a very good job playing Lana Lang on TV's Smallville. She's also done the full gamut of roles, from action to comedy to drama and is very good. She's also very popular with the geek crowd, which is of course the target demographic.

OOKLA THE MOK

"THE BIG SHOW" PAUL WHITE: He's 7'2" tall, weighs 440 lbs, and it's all bone and muscle. His years as a pro wrestler means he can do many of his own stunts. Plus he has some applicable acting experience. He played Captain Insano in The Water Boy, a green skinned alien warrio in Star Trek: Enterprise, and Andre The Giant playing the sasquatch in the made for TV movie about the making of Charlie's Angels (I forget the name of the movie). He was also a fan of Thundarr when he was a kid, which is a plus.

THE GREAT KHALI: He's 7'4" tall, weighs 430 lbs, and like The Big Show it's all bone and muscle. His years as a pro wrestler means he can do many of his own stunts. He also has some acting experience, playing one of the inmates Adam Sandler recruits for the prison football team in the remake of The Longest Yard. He also has a very neanderthal looking face, which could be easier to make look animalistic. The only problem might be that he barely speaks English, but since all his lines will be replaced with the animal sounds of the mok language in post production, that is less of a concern it might otherwise be.

EL GIGANTE GONZALES: He stands 7'7" tall. Last time I saw him he weighed about 450 lbs. At the time it was all bone and muscle. His years as a pro wrestler means he can do many of his own stunts. He's also had some relevant acting experience. He played a Hera worshipping warrior in Hercules In The Underworld, a nameless thug in the premier episode of Hulk Hogan's Thunder In Paradise TV show, and a sideshow freak who loves carving pellicans out of driftwood in an episode of Baywatch. Only problem may be that he had to quit wrestling because of some severe knee problems. I don't know if his knees have gotten better or worse in the years since.

SHAQUIL O'NEAL: He's around 7' tall (either just over or just under, I can't remember), weighs in the neighborhood of 350 lbs, and unlike many basketball players is fairly thickly built rather than lean and lanky. He's had some experience wrestling for WCW, so he can do many of his own stunts, and has some acting experience. Khazaam and Steel weren't very good, but at least it's something to put on a resume. And since his character is essentially a wookiee, good acting talent isn't REALLY a must (it just helps).

GEMINI

MICHAEL IRONSIDE: First off, he's a highly underrated actor. Second, he plays an excellent villain (in fact he tends to be type cast as them). He was a great villain in Highlander II, The Watcher, Scanners, and Total Recall. And third, he really looks the part. When I think of the snippit of a scene of Gemini in the opening sequence of Thundarr The Barbarian, I think "That's Michael Ironside!"

KEVIN SPACEY: A brilliant actor, he did a great job as John Doe in SE7EN, and as Kaizer Sosser/The Gimp in The Usual Suspects, as well as Lex Luthor in Superman Returns. He doesn't quite have the perfect look for the role the way Michael Ironside does, but he's close.

GARY OLDMAN: Like Michael Ironside, Gary Oldman plays such a convincing villain that he often gets typecast in such roles. He was brilliant in both Leon: The Professional and Bram Stokers Dracula. He also has a very sinister look about him that film makers like to exploit. If he isn't given the role of Gemini, then he should at least be given the role of another evil wizard in a sequel should the first Thundarr be a success.

Well, those are my thoughts. Feel free to share some of yours.

Tony Misfeldt
05-05-2008, 03:36 PM
There were a few other people I'd thought of for the role of Ookla, but I think they're less ideal for the role than the ones I've mentioned above.

1) Ron Perlman, who played Vincent on TV's Beauty & The Beast. After so many years in the role that made him famous, he's used to all the prosthetic make up. Problem is that while he's quite a big guy, he's no Great Khali. They'd have to do a bunch of green screen effects and CGI to make him look bigger, and then what would be the point?

2) Peter Mayhew, who played Chewbacca in Star Wars Episode III - VI and the Star Wars Holiday Special. Like Ron Pearlman, he's used to the prosthetic make up after all those years of playing Chewie. Unfortunately, moks are much thicker in the waist and broader in the shoulder than wookiees. The actor, while the right height, is the wrong girth.

3) Kareem Abdul Jabbar. He's the right height (around 7', I can't remember if he's under or over), has some acting experience (Bruce Lee's Game Of Death and various TV and movie cameos), and has studied kung fu under the tutelage of none other than Bruce Lee, so he can do many of his own stunts. He has the same problem as Chewbacca though, the right height but the wrong build. He'd be perfect as Chewie's nephew Lowbacca if George Lucas ever decides to do Star Wars Episode VII, VIII, and IX though.

4) That Romanian basketball player who starred in the movie My Giant with Billy Crystal. He's the right height and has at least some acting experience. Unfortunately he has the wrong girth.

5) The Chinese basketball player who was featured in a documentary a couple of years ago (something Yao? Yao something? I'm not a basketball fan). He also starred in a laptop computer TV commercial with little Verne Troyer. He has all the same benefits and hindrances as the last three entries.

6) Tall Paul. He was the scale double who played Aragorn, Gandalf, Borimir, and Legolas whenever they needed to be in a scene with Gimli or the hobbits and it would be too difficult to blue screen it.

7) Any of the people who played the non CGI wookiees in Star Wars Episode III. Perhaps the guy who played the other wookiee who helped Yoda escape Order 66 (I forget the character's name too). Unfortunately, many of them were NBA basketball players and most of those guys are long, lean and lanky.

Of course, the problem of the actors physique could be corrected by making the mok costumes with foam rubber fake muscles (kind of like the Ninja Turtles costumes in the original TMNT movie). It'll be a lot less comfortable to wear and harder to move around in, but it's doable.

Tony Misfeldt
05-15-2008, 12:59 PM
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warlock
05-16-2008, 09:21 AM
I didnt read through the whole thread, but, I wanted to point this out.

There is a second Dungeons and Dragons movie. It was a Sci-Fi production (I know, I KNOW), and, frankly, it wasn't bad. The effects were cheap, and the acting was fair at best, but it was at least watchable. I would recommend at least one viewing.

Did anyone see the Dragonlance animated movie that recently came out?

Tony Misfeldt
05-16-2008, 07:49 PM
I didnt read through the whole thread, but, I wanted to point this out.

There is a second Dungeons and Dragons movie. It was a Sci-Fi production (I know, I KNOW), and, frankly, it wasn't bad. The effects were cheap, and the acting was fair at best, but it was at least watchable. I would recommend at least one viewing.


Are you referring to Dungeons & Dragons II: Wrath Of The Dragon God? If you are then you really should have read the entire thread, or at least my opening post when I started this topic. I listed all the changes that I thought should have been made. But I do agree with you, it was pretty good.



Did anyone see the Dragonlance animated movie that recently came out?

Dude, you really need to go back and read the rest of this thread. We've written several pages of posts on the subject of the Dragonlance movie alone. Most people thought it was awful. Me? I thought it was passable. Not the greatest animated movie ever made, but not the worst. One viewer posted a whole long list of continuity errors that were made. But all in all it did generally stick to what was written in the novel (although I think they were using the comic books more for their inspiration).

Go back and read the thread all the way through when you have the time. Some of the comments written are quite enlightening, even entertaining. Deffinately worth the read.

agoraderek
05-17-2008, 03:34 PM
i think it may be because i was a film major in college, but i find it painful to watch a lot of those sci-fi channel movies. i understand they work under budget restraints, but still, there have to be SOME actors who can sell a role who aren't yet famous and would appreciate a job! watching actors and actresses who will be waiting tables or filming in back yards in sherwood oaks after shooting wraps makes me wonder if sci-fi shouldnt just fire their casting department and start fresh...

Tony Misfeldt
05-18-2008, 12:15 AM
i think it may be because i was a film major in college, but i find it painful to watch a lot of those sci-fi channel movies. i understand they work under budget restraints, but still, there have to be SOME actors who can sell a role who aren't yet famous and would appreciate a job! watching actors and actresses who will be waiting tables or filming in back yards in sherwood oaks after shooting wraps makes me wonder if sci-fi shouldnt just fire their casting department and start fresh...

Alot of the actors I suggested for D&D II are well known for working on low budget indie films and arthouse flicks. Many of them would work on a film just because they liked the script. I'm sure if Carey Elwes, Liam Neeson, Kristen Kruek, Joanie "Chyna" Laurer, and Debbie Lee Carrington had been given the chance to play Berek, Dorian, Ormaline, Lux, and Nim, the movie would have been much better and much better recieved.

cplmac
05-18-2008, 09:34 PM
I didnt read through the whole thread, but, I wanted to point this out.

There is a second Dungeons and Dragons movie. It was a Sci-Fi production (I know, I KNOW), and, frankly, it wasn't bad. The effects were cheap, and the acting was fair at best, but it was at least watchable. I would recommend at least one viewing.

Did anyone see the Dragonlance animated movie that recently came out?


Yes, saw the second one on Sci-Fi. I agree with what you say about it. As for the animated movie, read through all the post on this thread, there are alot of comments on it.

upidstay
05-27-2008, 06:26 AM
OK. I actually bought the movie. Paid 50 cents for it. That's a decent price for a nice coaster. Watched it the other day. I responded earlier to this post, and I will reiterate for those unwilling to search that far back for my commments.

This movie sucked. It sucked in ways I never knew a movie could suck. Webster's is now rewriting the definitions for the words suck, crap, and awful. The acting sucked. (even Jeremy Irons and Thora Birch were terrible)The dialogue sucked. The props sucked. The special effects were good, Actually, the flight of the dragons was frickin awesome. Before and after that, it sucked.

Probably the worst part of it was that it didn't have the key element that makes even the worst fantasy movie watchable: scantily clad babes. Thora Birch has one of the nicest racks around (American Beauty anyone?). The annoying Mage chick was blazing. Elf tracker girl was also gorgeous, but the armor was kind of gay.
Oh, and speaking of gay, is that what the director was going for? The blue lipstick on the head baddie was simply FABULOUS. "Prophion also seeks the Rod." I'll bet he does. And when the hero "takes him from behind, spearing him with his mighty blade". Holy gay fest batman!!

Well, to sum it all up, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 means it sucked, and 1 meaning "let's go find the ditrector and writer and beat them to death with that cheesy red scepter", I'll give it a 0.

Here endeth the rant.

tesral
05-27-2008, 09:25 AM
My commnet to my wife on looking a a series of crayon scrawls in the Art Museum. "They couldc't find the artist, so they hung the painting."

cplmac
05-27-2008, 09:50 AM
My commnet to my wife on looking a a series of crayon scrawls in the Art Museum. "They couldc't find the artist, so they hung the painting."


There is a little art museum nearby here. I've been in it once. Told my wife that since I could do at least half of what they have in there myself, I didn't qualify it as art. Especially since I am no artist.

boulet
05-27-2008, 10:57 AM
There is this trend in modern art when the artist provides something close to a manifesto with his work. And the painting, sculpture, or whatever form the thing takes, should suddenly reveal its bright inspiration and transcending nature... I'm sorry I usually don't buy that. Either a piece of art moves me, interrogates me, fascinates me, or it doesn't. I don't care if two pages of prose explain the process of creation or the intention.

When I contemplate a painting of Hieronymus Bosch (for instance) I don't need a footnote from the author. I don't need a lengthy explanation about the religious context of fifteenth century Holland - it would be nice, sure, but not absolutely necessary. I just need to let go and be absorbed by the wondrous and strange fantasies displayed before my eyes. I could be African, Asian or from anywhere outside of Europe, Bosch's work would still have this fascinating quality.

Somewhere during the twentieth century conceptual art has become the norm, and while I may grasp the creativity of some exceptional artists of this trend, a lot of the attitude is just pedant and condescending. The core of the job used to be a craft, a technique brought to such level where it would be so malleable that it could express things beyond common language. Nowadays I feel like many expositions are just like marketing campaigns : soulless and shallow.

What was this thread about again ? ;)

agoraderek
05-27-2008, 07:22 PM
There is this trend in modern art when the artist provides something close to a manifesto with his work. And the painting, sculpture, or whatever form the thing takes, should suddenly reveal its bright inspiration and transcending nature... I'm sorry I usually don't buy that. Either a piece of art moves me, interrogates me, fascinates me, or it doesn't. I don't care if two pages of prose explain the process of creation or the intention.

When I contemplate a painting of Hieronymus Bosch (for instance) I don't need a footnote from the author. I don't need a lengthy explanation about the religious context of fifteenth century Holland - it would be nice, sure, but not absolutely necessary. I just need to let go and be absorbed by the wondrous and strange fantasies displayed before my eyes. I could be African, Asian or from anywhere outside of Europe, Bosch's work would still have this fascinating quality.

Somewhere during the twentieth century conceptual art has become the norm, and while I may grasp the creativity of some exceptional artists of this trend, a lot of the attitude is just pedant and condescending. The core of the job used to be a craft, a technique brought to such level where it would be so malleable that it could express things beyond common language. Nowadays I feel like many expositions are just like marketing campaigns : soulless and shallow.

What was this thread about again ? ;)

i agree. if the artist or a "critic" (read tom wolfe's book on modern art to understand why i use quotes here) has to write a lengthy manifesto telling me why the piece is "important", chances are, it really is a piece.

imo, true art only needs to be in order for me to feel it. i didnt even know about the spanish civil war the first time i saw "guernica", but it made me sad, even if i didnt know why until later...

sadly, pretentiousness and one-upmanship amongst "critics" desperate to find the next big thing has made it difficult for me to get excited about new art i hear about, as i have to wonder if its all hype...

i think this thread started out about seven layer dip recipes...

tesral
05-27-2008, 11:49 PM
There is a little art museum nearby here. I've been in it once. Told my wife that since I could do at least half of what they have in there myself, I didn't qualify it as art. Especially since I am no artist.

As a friend of mine said looking at some of the character art I have commissioned over the years. "I don't know art, but I know what I like." If you create you are an artist. Not everyone is Rembrandt, not everyone is Shakespeare. However that doesn't mean you shouldn't draw or write.

agoraderek
05-28-2008, 01:28 AM
As a friend of mine said looking at some of the character art I have commissioned over the years. "I don't know art, but I know what I like." If you create you are an artist. Not everyone is Rembrandt, not everyone is Shakespeare. However that doesn't mean you shouldn't draw or write.

agreed, but i think the general point of some of our posts isnt to discredit effort, its to point out the pretention of the arbiters of what is "important". i fully encourage anyone to explore creative and performing arts, if only for theraputic value, and, im pretty sure, most, if not all, of the posters here have developed at least adequate skills in creative and descriptive writing, cartography, drawing, acting, and, if you're an sca type, maybe even talents in blacksmithy, brewing, weaving and a host of other arts and crafts.

Tony Misfeldt
05-28-2008, 04:50 AM
OK. I actually bought the movie. Paid 50 cents for it. That's a decent price for a nice coaster. Watched it the other day. I responded earlier to this post, and I will reiterate for those unwilling to search that far back for my commments.

This movie sucked. It sucked in ways I never knew a movie could suck. Webster's is now rewriting the definitions for the words suck, crap, and awful. The acting sucked.
I actually bought a new copy of Webster's Dictionary. Under sucked it read "See Dungeons & Dragons: The Movie."


(even Jeremy Irons and Thora Birch were terrible)The dialogue sucked. The props sucked. The special effects were good, Actually, the flight of the dragons was frickin awesome. Before and after that, it sucked.

Totally agreed on all points, except for Thora Birch. I actually thought her performance wasn't too bad.


Probably the worst part of it was that it didn't have the key element that makes even the worst fantasy movie watchable: scantily clad babes. Thora Birch has one of the nicest racks around (American Beauty anyone?). The annoying Mage chick was blazing. Elf tracker girl was also gorgeous, but the armor was kind of gay.

Totally needed more scantily clad babes. Unfortunately they were going for a PG rating. What they got was a PC rating, "Pretty Crappy".


Oh, and speaking of gay, is that what the director was going for? The blue lipstick on the head baddie was simply FABULOUS. "Prophion also seeks the Rod." I'll bet he does. And when the hero "takes him from behind, spearing him with his mighty blade". Holy gay fest batman!!

If you saw the "Making Of" featurettes on the DVD, I think that's what he was going for. That guy's a pink d4 if ever I've seen one (and I used to work in a fetish shop, so I've seen a few).


Well, to sum it all up, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 means it sucked, and 1 meaning "let's go find the ditrector and writer and beat them to death with that cheesy red scepter", I'll give it a 0.

Here endeth the rant.
I still say a 0 is far too kind. -10 for me, and not in the good 2nd Edition way.

Tony Misfeldt
05-28-2008, 05:08 AM
Another book I'd love to see made into a movie is In The Net Of Dreams. It's sort of a cross between D&D and The Matrix. It's about this online virtual reality game where people go into a sensory deprivation chamber with electrodes attached all over their bodies and awaken inside the game of their choice (Space World, War World, Fantasy World, Hero World, Spy World, etc) as the avatar they've created for that game. Something goes wrong in Fantasy World and the game takes on a life of it's own. Now it's holding all the players hostage to keep from being shut down. There's a biofeedback loop which causes the players to die in real life if their avatar dies in the game. So the game company recruits one of Fantasy World's original designers (who also happens to be a world class swordsman) to enter the game and fix it from the inside. The game itself is a wild mixture of D&D gaming material, Grimm's fairy tails, Tolkien novel references, Greek and other mythologies. For example they meet Medusa's sister Euryale, and later meet the dragon Smaug, and still later meet Snow White and The Seven Dwarves. Then one Russian player calls himself "Robbing Hood and his Happy Comrades", who steal from the "Fat Capitalist Pigs" and give to the "Poor Working Peoples". There's also a gnome cleric named Father Justin Thyme. If you've never read the book, find a copy and give it a go. It's worth it. Once you've read it you'll probably agree with me, it should deffinately be a movie.

Malruhn
06-01-2008, 11:07 PM
The kids and I just watched D&D:TM (the first one) again.

Loved it... again.

Pure camp and WAY over the top. And Thora Birch's lips just want to wrap themselves...

What was this thread about again?

Tony Misfeldt
08-12-2009, 01:09 PM
I've made a small change to my initial post. I've added Corinna Everson to my list of actresses who should've played the role of Lux The Barbarian. Most of you probably remember her as Atalanta on Hercules: The Legendary Journies. She's also a former Miss Olympia.

WhiteTiger
08-13-2009, 08:33 AM
I saw the first one and didn't think much of it... I haven't seen the second.

Tony Misfeldt
08-14-2009, 08:19 PM
I saw the first one and didn't think much of it... I haven't seen the second.



Give the second one a go. It's surprisingly good. If they had the first movie's budget, it could've been great.

Oldgamer
08-15-2009, 11:45 AM
Yeah, the 2nd would've been a helluva lot better if they'd had a better budget. I didn't care for it too much, but I didn't care for the 1st one either. The first would have been a lot better with more mature characters, and I don't mean by age, I mean by personality ... the wizard and rogue argued like 10 year olds and whined constantly throughout the whole movie.

Malruhn
08-15-2009, 08:11 PM
Actually, that childish whining was, in my opinion, rather endearing!!

I found the whole movie (both of them, actually) to be JUST like actual gaming sessions. The only thing I missed was an intermission to order pizza.

Tony Misfeldt
08-16-2009, 10:35 AM
Yeah, the 2nd would've been a helluva lot better if they'd had a better budget. I didn't care for it too much, but I didn't care for the 1st one either. The first would have been a lot better with more mature characters, and I don't mean by age, I mean by personality ... the wizard and rogue argued like 10 year olds and whined constantly throughout the whole movie.


I've said from the beginning the writing of the second movie was better than the first. The first movie had a bigger budget and better star power, but that couldn't save the movie. You're totally right about the characters being too immature, I thought so too.

As for the second, just imagine the movie with the casting changes I suggested and you'll probably decide you like it more.

thomaswhodoubts
08-17-2009, 12:18 AM
While I very much enjoyed the discussion on modern art - and I agree if someone has to tell me it's art, it isn't - I'm actually posting about the movies. I'm not sure what anyone expected, but I expected what I got in number one - camp and WOTC pitching for the 10 year-old-crowd that is its bread and butter (bring 'em in young) - and enjoyed almost every minute of it. The only thing that really bugged me was the lipstick on the bad guys, although I remember using that color to paint 'magic' weapons on minis back in the late 80's, so it wasn't a total bust. The second, however, was fantastic, and, I might add, because of the low budget. I could easily see, and would greatly look forward to, a number of SciFi (SyFy?) Channel or straight to DVD D&D movies - God knows there's enough material. Film them in Eastern Europe, or even cheaper locales, with inexpensive theater talent, a la Dune (NOT the David Lynch travesty - don't get me started!), and realistic costumes and run-of-the-mill CGI, and you've got a whole series of instant classics. What's cheap now is the type of stuff Ray Harryhausen could only dream of, and now cheap doesn't mean cheesy like it did even five years ago. So I say 'bring 'em on,' let the D&D High Quality Camp festivities begin!

traesin
09-07-2009, 01:20 AM
The first movie was pretty bad. it had a few good points, but a lot of bad ones.The Second movie was good. I liked what they did with it.

revolution 9
09-07-2009, 12:34 PM
Actually, that childish whining was, in my opinion, rather endearing!!

I found the whole movie (both of them, actually) to be JUST like actual gaming sessions. The only thing I missed was an intermission to order pizza.

Ah yes, adventures to free the land of slaves, Beholders easily tricked by the most simple of ruses, artifacts that are easily broken, thieves deliberately setting off traps instead of disarming them, educated advanced wizards attacking red dragons with fireballs, spells that don't exist... truly the film was D&D to a T.

russdm
09-07-2009, 12:50 PM
I liked the Dungeons and Dragons movies. I liked the second one more than first only because the plot was more believable and they tried to have it have more D&D influenced type of stuff.

The first was a funny and entertaining child's view of the game. It had the same kid quality as the first gamer's movie. The movie was campy and silly, like how D&D players are. It could have been better, the bloody elf kept telling the dwarf and others that ridley and snails and just ridley had to do everything themselves. So why were you in the party then? to fight profion at the end? to add elfy bits of wisdom?

I liked the second one, found it more funnier. And they put in stuff about D&D so people would understand stuff more. I had trouble with the ending, with Damodar in a cell. seemed a little to kind to me to do that to him. the story was one that mattered more and so seeing the characters try to deal with it was more interesting. I liked the lich in the movie too.

My ratings for the movies:

D&D got 3.5 stars out of 6

D&D Wrath of the Dragon God got 4 out of 6 stars.

If you have the dvd, you can listen to a commentary of the second movie by Jozan, Krusk, and Lidda. Its very funny and should be watched at least once or twice. its the best part of the movie.

tesral
09-07-2009, 05:01 PM
http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com/SS_Modeler/RPG/D&D-movie.jpg

Tony Misfeldt
09-08-2009, 02:39 AM
I liked the Dungeons and Dragons movies. I liked the second one more than first only because the plot was more believable and they tried to have it have more D&D influenced type of stuff.

The first was a funny and entertaining child's view of the game. It had the same kid quality as the first gamer's movie. The movie was campy and silly, like how D&D players are. It could have been better, the bloody elf kept telling the dwarf and others that ridley and snails and just ridley had to do everything themselves. So why were you in the party then? to fight profion at the end? to add elfy bits of wisdom?

I liked the second one, found it more funnier. And they put in stuff about D&D so people would understand stuff more. I had trouble with the ending, with Damodar in a cell. seemed a little to kind to me to do that to him. the story was one that mattered more and so seeing the characters try to deal with it was more interesting. I liked the lich in the movie too.

My ratings for the movies:

D&D got 3.5 stars out of 6

D&D Wrath of the Dragon God got 4 out of 6 stars.

If you have the dvd, you can listen to a commentary of the second movie by Jozan, Krusk, and Lidda. Its very funny and should be watched at least once or twice. its the best part of the movie.


I found the first one too silly, but I totally agree with you on the second movie. And the commentary with Jozan, Krusk, and Lidda is hilarius. Especially Krusk. You gotta love his remarks. "Hit it with an ax!"

Tony Misfeldt
09-27-2009, 11:25 AM
I was curious about whether or not there would be a 3rd movie as was originall intended so I looked it up on the net. I couldn't find very much, mostly reviews and such on the first two movies, but I did find a couple of sites which claimed Part 3 has been greenlit and that Bruce Payne and Tom Dymond (at least I think that's his name, the guy who played Berek) have been booked to reprise their roles in the 3rd film. No word as to the plot or the release date however.

XeroDrift
10-08-2009, 10:24 PM
Yeah, so D&D movies suck, but I watch them anyway... same as I watch low budget "B" horror and fantasy movies, the subject matter carries it through for me, but it would be nice to have a some serious monetary clout and a bit of talent behind an established fantasy mythos.
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more funnier.



Really?

thomaswhodoubts
06-01-2010, 01:04 PM
I recently rewatched D&D II and it definately reminded me of a real session. The first did as well, but a session from junior high as opposed to high school. If the third ends up being like a college session, they'll have to go to hell - and take it over!!