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Digital Arcanist
08-29-2007, 06:04 PM
Okay guys,

Who is your ONE favorite hero from any comic book publishing company?

Name the one hero you hold above all others and give one or two sentences as to why you hold this being in such high esteem. If there have been multiple incarnations of this hero (ie. Green Lantern, Flash, Robin) feel free to specify which one you like most.

Let's not get into a discussion of who is better or why did you say that reason instead of another. We can save those for another thread.

I'll kick off the thread:

My favorite hero of all time is the Green Lantern, specifically Kyle Rayner. I like the Green Lantern character because they start out as normal people whose sole ability is their indomitable willpower. I like Kyle more than other other guys because he has the greatest imagination and didn't just fly around with boxing gloves and catcher's mitts like the rest of the Lanterns.

PhishStyx
08-29-2007, 07:44 PM
Amazing Spider-Man was the first comic I ever bought, and he remains my favorite super hero mrphty-mmrph years later.

I like Wolverine and Cap and most of the other Marvel guys, and I've grown to enjoy Justice League and Batman.

But Spidey beats 'em all, hands down.

fmitchell
08-29-2007, 08:28 PM
As I've posted elsewhere, I never really got into superheroes as a kid. I preferred (what passed for) horror and humor comics.

But if I had to pick one, it would be Batman. Apart from the dark, brooding aspect, the main part I like is that he's human ... not a man from another planet, not the product of weird science, not the wielder of magic or alien artifacts beyond human understanding. Granted, he does have a seemingly limitless supply of cash and a mind and body at the peak of human development. (And an obsession bordering on insanity.) But there's something gratifying about a hero who thinks through problems and uses his wits before his fists.

There's a few others that I feel should get honorable mentions:


She-Hulk, who besides gratifying one or two of my little quirks also uses her brain as well as brawn (at least under some writers). In the latest series, what I've read of it, there are some problems that she can *only* solve as a squishy, fragile human.

Concrete isn't my favorite comic, but I like the aspect of a super-strong and invulnerable guy who'd rather just get on with his life, thank you very much.

The Tick, mainly for playing with and subverting typical comic-book tropes, and for being so darned funny when Ben Edlund was doing it.

Winged Victory, from Astro City, mainly because in addition to fighting crime herself also organizes self-defense training for women ... and whose focus on women has created controversy.

Doctor Manhattan, from the Watchmen, simply because he behaves more like a godlike superhero would.

Moritz
08-30-2007, 09:14 AM
1) Green Lantern - Hal Jordon

Actually, most all Green Lanterns are it. I love the concept, normal individual given a device/power, still having mortal weaknesses. Further, living by a code and making a difference.

2) Superman

Just always liked him.

Olothfaern
12-08-2007, 03:13 AM
are considered comics then my favorite hero is Unit 01 from Neon Genesis Evangelion who edges out Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell and Vampire Hunter D; If not then I can't really beat Spider-Man (from the comics, not the movies).

pawsplay
12-08-2007, 10:19 AM
Batman. He is the superhero who most often faces death. A simple bullet could kill him. He never gives up, which sometimes means putting himself into a situation where he knows he could die.

shilar
12-13-2007, 11:53 PM
It's a tie for me between Spiderman and the Green Lanterns. As a former soldier the concept of a group of individuals with the right training, tools and a strong sense of justice kind of resonates. And for spidey take away the powers and throw some weight on him and that was me in high school.
I like heroes I can identify with

Drohem
12-14-2007, 10:38 AM
My first favorite hero as a child was the Flash. It turned out later that I found out that his powers in the DC Universe are quite powerful, and that the Flash is very creative in utlizing his powers in various way.

Malruhn
12-20-2007, 10:18 PM
I am very drawn to the first Green Arrow, Oliver Queen (Green Lantern SUCKS!!) ;)

But my favorite has to be Spiderman. It was his attitude and quick tongue that won me over. He is SUCH a smart-asssss!!

Plus, his girlfriend has red hair. You GOTTA love that!!

Digital Arcanist
12-20-2007, 10:21 PM
I am very drawn to the first Green Arrow, Oliver Queen (Green Lantern SUCKS!!) ;)

But my favorite has to be Spiderman. It was his attitude and quick tongue that won me over. He is SUCH a smart-asssss!!

Plus, his girlfriend has red hair. You GOTTA love that!!


Yeah I wouldn't kick MJ out of bed for eating crackers either.

As for your dislike of Green Lanterns...I'm going to need your home address so I can fly over and deliver my rebuttal in person!!!!:mad:

Malruhn
12-24-2007, 12:07 PM
All I can answer to that is *THWIPP!!!* and one of lines that I have based my life upon... from the Green Arrow when the Green Lantern had thought he had died - "Sure I'll give up. Ten minutes after I draw my last breath."

(I only say that about GL because of an inferiority complex!)

BRING IT ON, RING BOY!!

Mulsiphix
12-24-2007, 04:27 PM
My all time favorite would have to be Batman. My favorite portrayal would have to be Batman: The Animated Series. This series captured all that made Batman great. He is a regular human and relies on his gadgets and physical strength to accomplish everything. He is honorable and there is science behind just about everything he uses. Now whether that science is practical in real life is another discussion all together but what I enjoyed most was that everything Batman did seemed feasible. His dedication, intelligence, and quick thinking is what made Batman great.

As far as beyond reality super heroes go I would have to say Wolverine. He is still very much human and generally just brawls with all of his enemies. His amazing regeneration allows for him to keep on fighting the good fight long after other super heroes have had their butts kicked thoroughly.

rabkala
12-25-2007, 09:00 PM
That is a tough one. I was never a huge comic book guy. I never read the big popular ones like Spiderman, Superman, or Batman. When I was younger I read some X-men, a few Xfactor, Thor, Fantastic 4, Moon Knight and a couple Green Lantern.

My favorite series would have to be X-men. Wolverine is awesome. Rogue is hella powerful.
Thor was different, but what I was looking for at a time.
The Silver Surfer rocked... Fantastic 4 not so much.

I think I would have to go with Moon Knight as an overall hero. He was the most human and probably the most flawed.

Mulsiphix
12-25-2007, 09:57 PM
You know a super hero I never got? Aquaman. Now I didn't read the comics but I've seen him portrayed in many cartoons and he always just comes off as... "why? seriously what the *@%@?!"

rabkala
12-25-2007, 10:34 PM
You know a super hero I never got? Aquaman. Now I didn't read the comics but I've seen him portrayed in many cartoons and he always just comes off as... "why? seriously what the *@%@?!"
Wonder twin powers activate! {In unison}
Form of a bucket of water!
Form of a flying squirrel!

What's up with that?

Ya, most of the cartoons really shouldn't be mentioned. Just too horrifically bad to imagine.

Mulsiphix
12-26-2007, 05:51 PM
A few of the cartoons do stand out though. Batman: The Animated Series, X-Men (1990's version), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1980's version), and a few other gems. The majority are absolutely horrid adaptations though *shutters at the thought*

Bravo
03-16-2008, 01:32 PM
gotta go with image's Invincible - great story telling great character great comic great hero!

GBVenkman
03-20-2008, 12:54 AM
Captain Cave Man!!!!!!!!!


Somebody should do a build on him.

His mad club skills could own anybody.

Before there was Hercules, there was Captain Cave Man.

Lev Lafayette
03-20-2008, 02:44 AM
If I was going to be semi-serious about it I'd say Batman from the Dark Knight returns, or Dr. Manhatten from Watchmen. Or even Green Arrow for his libertarian socialist politics.

But I also quite like characters like Kryto the Superdog, Cerebus the Aardvark and, for entirely different reasons, all the characters from Mouse Guard.

Does Speedy Gonzalez count as a superhero?

Webhead
03-25-2008, 11:59 AM
Picking a favorite seems kinda tough as naming only one tends to leave out all the other superheroes that I like each for their own reasons (such as Hal Jordan's GL, Superman (when written well), Captain America, etc.).

But if I had to pick a favorite, there's no denying that it would be Spider-Man. The first comic book I can ever remember reading was an issue of Amazing Spider-Man and it pretty much snowballed from there. That led naturally into reading of more comics and watching all the Spidey cartoons (the '60s series, the Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends from the '80s, the rather good animated series of the '90s).

Besides being the first superhero in my memory, the "character" of Spider-Man always struck home with me. Peter was an ordinary, nerdy kid who suddenly had fantastic powers...but he quickly realized that it wasn't a free ride. Having the powers complicated and frustrated his life, sometimes to the point that he wished he could stop being Spider-Man. Striking him with a tragedy such as feeling responsible for the loss of Uncle Ben, for me, transforms the character from "just another guy with powers fighting crime because he can" to "a guy who does it because it is irresponsible not to" which really ties into my feelings about what a super hero is supposed to be. A hero fights because inaction against evil is as bad or even worse than the evil action itself. To do nothing not only permits evil but actively encourages it. And a hero cannot resort to the means of the villainous to achieve his ends or else he becomes a villain himself. It is for these reasons that Spidey always stands out for me. It's about self-sacrifice and seeing beyond the scope of yourself.

"With great power, there must also come great responsibility." --Ben Parker

"We need to be held accountable. We have too much power not to be." --Green Lantern

"We can't give up on the system! The system is what we're fighting for!" --Arthur

Frobozz
03-26-2008, 12:29 AM
Ok, maybe not technically a "super" hero, my favorite comic book character of all time would have to be Deathblow from Image comics. Somewhat tragic, somewhat superhuman even if all he is, is human. Some of the best writing I've ever seen in a comic that wasn't a graphic novel.

In Marvel land, either Wolverine or Gambit, though Storm was pretty cool too of the X-Men. I also loved Thor and I have a fondness for Ironman (maybe it's the engineer in me) and am stoked about the upcoming movie. :D

In DC world, hands down Batman. He was the coolest of the cool. The more "Dark Knight" the better. Also his wonderful toys (again, the engineer in me).

Lev Lafayette
03-26-2008, 05:54 AM
Besides being the first superhero in my memory, the "character" of Spider-Man always struck home with me. Peter was an ordinary, nerdy kid who suddenly had fantastic powers...but he quickly realized that it wasn't a free ride. Having the powers complicated and frustrated his life, sometimes to the point that he wished he could stop being Spider-Man. Striking him with a tragedy such as feeling responsible for the loss of Uncle Ben, for me, transforms the character from "just another guy with powers fighting crime because he can" to "a guy who does it because it is irresponsible not to" which really ties into my feelings about what a super hero is supposed to be. A hero fights because inaction against evil is as bad or even worse than the evil action itself. To do nothing not only permits evil but actively encourages it

Now you have me thinking. Adolf Eichmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem) as a supervillian.

nijineko
03-29-2008, 05:38 AM
well, i guess i've gotta admit it. my first favorite superhero was mighty mouse. read all that i could find. then it was battle of the planets (g-force, for the not-in-the-know), then thunderbirds-gotta love that secret base and the equipment! the original not the recent movie....) and so forth. but i'll always have that nostalgic sneaking fondness for mighty mouse.

nowadays? i would have to say the Anything Goes 5. Silverhawk, Toaster Puppy, Chimneysweep, Network, and Purrkitt. they've been my favorites since my late teens-early twenties, i would guess.

GBVenkman
03-29-2008, 09:30 PM
well, i guess i've gotta admit it. my first favorite superhero was mighty mouse. read all that i could find. then it was battle of the planets (g-force, for the not-in-the-know), then thunderbirds-gotta love that secret base and the equipment! the original not the recent movie....) and so forth. but i'll always have that nostalgic sneaking fondness for mighty mouse.

nowadays? i would have to say the Anything Goes 5. Silverhawk, Toaster Puppy, Chimneysweep, Network, and Purrkitt. they've been my favorites since my late teens-early twenties, i would guess.


If I'd have to pick my very first hero that I can remember, I'd have to make Pop-eye. I'm thinking of making a Saga one. mwahahaha

Inquisitor Tremayne
04-09-2008, 04:37 PM
Batman and Spiderman equally.

Batman for the gritty-ness of everything that surrounds him.

Spiderman because he has some pretty cool powers for a super hero and I've always wanted his powers!

TheQuestionMan
04-16-2008, 06:18 PM
TheQuestionMan's Top 5 Favourite Superheroes
1. Starman (Will Payton)
http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Starman_%28Will_Payton%29

2. Darkstar (Ferrin Colos)
http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Darkstars

3. Green Arrow (Mike Grell Years)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Arrow#Longbow_Hunters.2FMike_Grell_Ongoing

4. Captain America
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Steven_Rogers_%28Earth-616%29

5. Invincible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_%28comics%29


Cheers


QM

DetCord
06-27-2008, 08:45 AM
Tough choice.... as a kid I was totaly into Spiderman. Yet now im a grown man, and after seeing the new batman movie I feel myself more drawn towards the Dark Knight and the whole neo- gothic look of the genre...

SpiffyBananaFoot
06-27-2008, 06:28 PM
I'd have to go with Batman just because I like a hero that has a little bit of "not so nice" in him.

Igbutton
06-28-2008, 01:16 PM
So many heros to choose from and I love so many Batman, Spiderman, GL. But if I have to choose, I pick The Flash.

I was always the hyperactive kid, it always bothered my to have to wait on people who wanted to take their time, the job I have know was meant to be done by 2 people, my boss finds he only needs me.

I'm always looking to do things quicker, make the most of my time, and optimize my routines.

When I was introduced to The Flash I was immediately convinced he had the best superpower. Not just for the crime fighting capabilities but for practical use as well. He could do a job that would take normally take 10 hours in 1, then have the rest of the day to do whatever he liked.

The Flash is my favorite because his power is the power I dream of having.

nijineko
06-28-2008, 04:34 PM
i have to admit that i was always fond of The Shadow. ever since my dad gave me the books to read, i've like the style. kinda proto-batman in many ways. even in cannon. ^^

Arch Lich Thoth-Amon
06-29-2008, 01:58 AM
i have to admit that i was always fond of The Shadow. ever since my dad gave me the books to read, i've like the style. kinda proto-batman in many ways. even in cannon. ^^
Spiderman comes to mind. Generally speaking, the less superhero powers one has, the more one relies on their wits. So, put me down for Batman as well... but not Robin. Could never stand that character. But in fairness, my judgment may be flawed for i cant get the '60's tv image of Robin out of my head. LOL

Thoth-Amon

Arch Lich Thoth-Amon
06-29-2008, 02:06 AM
Okay guys,

Who is your ONE favorite hero from any comic book publishing company?

Name the one hero you hold above all others and give one or two sentences as to why you hold this being in such high esteem. If there have been multiple incarnations of this hero (ie. Green Lantern, Flash, Robin) feel free to specify which one you like most.

Let's not get into a discussion of who is better or why did you say that reason instead of another. We can save those for another thread.

I'll kick off the thread:

My favorite hero of all time is the Green Lantern, specifically Kyle Rayner. I like the Green Lantern character because they start out as normal people whose sole ability is their indomitable willpower. I like Kyle more than other other guys because he has the greatest imagination and didn't just fly around with boxing gloves and catcher's mitts like the rest of the Lanterns.

Hmmm, my favorite comic books heros, if you can call them heros, were Dracula(antihero), and Tarzan (hero to the damsels). I loved these comics. But if they dont count, then Silver Surfer was pretty cool.

Thoth-Amon

nijineko
07-04-2008, 06:52 PM
if i had to narrow it down to one... heck, i don't think i can. it would come down to trying to figure out which reason for liking a hero is better than the other reason. and with each reason being different that makes it really hard.

Valdar
07-09-2008, 04:04 PM
I love re-imaginings of superheroes and their genres- things that question the assumptions inherited from the comic-book land of the early to mid 20th century.

Top of the list would be Bendis' Ultimate Spider Man- how the Spider Man legend would look if it played out in the 2000s (Genetic spider vs. Radioactive spider, Venom as failed cancer cure rather than thing from space vending machine, etc.)

The rest of the list would be gritty stories like the Ultimates, Supreme Power, Alias (also Bendis, natch), and especially, Garth Ennis' "The Pro" (a story about a hooker who gets superpowers). Also liked his work on Punisher- Ennis is one twisted individual.

Invincible is also a top-notch book, despite the slow start and simpler artwork.

Webhead
07-09-2008, 04:31 PM
I love re-imaginings of superheroes and their genres- things that question the assumptions inherited from the comic-book land of the early to mid 20th century.

Top of the list would be Bendis' Ultimate Spider Man- how the Spider Man legend would look if it played out in the 2000s (Genetic spider vs. Radioactive spider, Venom as failed cancer cure rather than thing from space vending machine, etc.)

The rest of the list would be gritty stories like the Ultimates, Supreme Power, Alias (also Bendis, natch), and especially, Garth Ennis' "The Pro" (a story about a hooker who gets superpowers). Also liked his work on Punisher- Ennis is one twisted individual.

Invincible is also a top-notch book, despite the slow start and simpler artwork.

While not specifically a singular "hero", one of my favorite hero concepts is the "Hero Device" from Dial H for Hero and it's follow-up series H-E-R-O that was published a few years ago.

For those not familiar, the device is a solid, round disc that fits in one hand and it has four buttons on its face: "H", "E", "R" and "O". When a person dials the buttons in order, they are temporarily granted a random suite of super powers, complete with costume which are lost when the person dials the device again. They can repeat the process, gaining a new suite of powers and costume each time.

It has been established that other button combinations will work as well, some with much stranger (and more frightening) effects.

Any person can use the device to gain powers, and use of the device does not require or encourage heroic behavior. In fact, at one point in the H-E-R-O series, a serial killer finds the device and gains terrifying power from it.

H-E-R-O is one of my very favorite comics of the last several years and I was sad that it ended so abruptly (after about 22 issues, if I recall correctly). But at least the series went out with a bang and it was a very epic, climactic end indeed. :)

I also read and liked the first 2 trades of Ultimates and the first trade of Supreme Power. Still on the fence about Ultimate Spider-Man. I liked some things about it and disliked others.

ryan973
07-10-2008, 08:51 AM
Hymm i have so many favorites. but if i had to pick one and only i would say GREEN LANTERN - Kyle Rainer.

The way he used his ring was just so damn original when compared to the others and he was alwase real for me his vulnerability and self doubt is something usually missing from so many powerful characters.

Webhead
07-10-2008, 10:23 AM
Hymm i have so many favorites. but if i had to pick one and only i would say GREEN LANTERN - Kyle Rainer.

The way he used his ring was just so damn original when compared to the others and he was alwase real for me his vulnerability and self doubt is something usually missing from so many powerful characters.

I've always been partial to Hal Jordan, but admittedly I've not read much of John Stewart, Kyle Rainer or...*ugh*...Guy Gardener. :rolleyes:

ryan973
07-10-2008, 10:46 AM
Oh i will admit a fondness for Hal even as the Spectre he is very passionate about what he does. I have never really taken to guy gardner, But Kyle rainer in my mind is really the epitome of Green lanterns he is alot ALOT liek Hal but still his own man and i love the fact that he is an artist it makes most of his constructs really interesting when compared to most green lanters with there giant boomerans and boxing gloves.

GreatMamboChicken
07-10-2008, 11:00 AM
I agree with many posts that it's hard to pick when different heroes appeal to different aspects.

But it's always been easy for me to say "My favorite superhero is....


...Wolverine."

In the age of everyone trying to be as idealistic as Captain America, there was just this one guy who usually fought for the good guys, but he wasn't nice about it. He wasn't incredibly strong, couldn't blast you from across the room, and always looked like he needed a bath. But once you tangled with him, you knew it was only a matter of time before your insides came out.

He reminds me in many ways of Miyamoto Musashi. A rogue samurai with somewhat skewed ideals, a serene acceptance of his own mortality, and the ability to stand against countless foes.

"I'm the best at what I do. And what I do isn't very nice."

Webhead
07-10-2008, 11:37 AM
I agree with many posts that it's hard to pick when different heroes appeal to different aspects.

But it's always been easy for me to say "My favorite superhero is....


...Wolverine."

In the age of everyone trying to be as idealistic as Captain America, there was just this one guy who usually fought for the good guys, but he wasn't nice about it. He wasn't incredibly strong, couldn't blast you from across the room, and always looked like he needed a bath. But once you tangled with him, you knew it was only a matter of time before your insides came out.

He reminds me in many ways of Miyamoto Musashi. A rogue samurai with somewhat skewed ideals, a serene acceptance of his own mortality, and the ability to stand against countless foes.

"I'm the best at what I do. And what I do isn't very nice."

I always liked Wolvie as a counter-point to the rest of the X-Men. They were as responsible for him as he was for himself (the sense of "family" that the X-Men had) and so they had to protect him even from his own rage at times.

Wolvie was best written when it was clear that he was filled with passion and fury, but that he could still bring himself back from the brink at a crucial moment in order to still "do the right thing"...even when his instincts told him otherwise. It showed real depth of character and made him into something greater than a "killing machine". He was also admirable for his sense of devotion. He wouldn't think twice about giving his life to protect his friends or innocents.

Wolvie's not a bad character...he just suffers from bad writers from time to time (just like Superman, Batman, Spiderman and just about every other comicbook character).

I think I could play a good Wolverine in a supers RPG. :)

Igbutton
07-10-2008, 11:56 AM
I almost said Wolverine but there is so much resentment towards him atm, I was worried about opening a can of worms. I love him too but appearing in 4 comics series as well as having his own is a bit much.

He does remind me of my favorite anti-hero.

Deadpool.

I can just never get enough of his sadistic, wise-cracking, over-killing style.

Tomcat1066
07-10-2008, 12:52 PM
I'm a big Wolverine fan also, mostly because he does what he does and doesn't apologize for it. While the rest of the heroes try to do "good", Wolverine just did what he felt needed to be done. People aren't just good or bad, they're usually somewhere in the middle...Wolverine is like that.

Webhead
07-10-2008, 01:17 PM
I'm a big Wolverine fan also, mostly because he does what he does and doesn't apologize for it. While the rest of the heroes try to do "good", Wolverine just did what he felt needed to be done. People aren't just good or bad, they're usually somewhere in the middle...Wolverine is like that.

He had a "hard" side and a "soft" side, even if he tried to hide it from everyone. But you could tell that, deep down somewhere, he genuinely cared about his fellows and believed in sacrificing himself for others.

Tomcat1066
07-10-2008, 01:19 PM
No argument there on any count. He's one of Marvel's more interesting heroes on many levels.

Webhead
07-10-2008, 01:59 PM
No argument there on any count. He's one of Marvel's more interesting heroes on many levels.

I agree. I think he just ends up getting written a lot by writers who think he's nothing more than a walking blender... :frusty:

Tomcat1066
07-10-2008, 02:26 PM
I agree. I think he just ends up getting written a lot by writers who think he's nothing more than a walking blender... :frusty:

Oh yeah. They get hold of this character with incredible depth and instead he's just going to shred stuff. Why not deal with some of the emotional depth to the character!

Valdar
07-10-2008, 08:12 PM
I agree. I think he just ends up getting written a lot by writers who think he's nothing more than a walking blender... :frusty:

You might not want to look at Ennis' take on him then =) It's just as simplistic, but the opposite. Off the top of my head, in Punisher stories, Wolverine has been:

--Punched across several states by the Hulk
--Shot in the crotch with a rocket launcher, skeletonizing him from rib-cage to knees
--Had his face scoured clean of flesh, to his adamantium-laced skull, with a shotgun
--Left in wet cement with a steamroller parked on top of him

Webhead
07-11-2008, 09:26 AM
You might not want to look at Ennis' take on him then =) It's just as simplistic, but the opposite. Off the top of my head, in Punisher stories, Wolverine has been:

--Punched across several states by the Hulk
--Shot in the crotch with a rocket launcher, skeletonizing him from rib-cage to knees
--Had his face scoured clean of flesh, to his adamantium-laced skull, with a shotgun
--Left in wet cement with a steamroller parked on top of him

Yes, I also dislike the "I can completely regenerate from a finger-nail shaving" take on Wolvie. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Days of Future Past summed it up perfectly for me. Wolvie jumps in front of the sentinel to allow the other X-Men to escape, gets fried by an energy blast at point blank range and collapses to the floor as a smoldering adamantium skeleton. End of story.

Tomcat1066
07-11-2008, 10:26 AM
Yep. The idea that Wolverine can be killed doesn't make him less of a bad boy, but actually more IMHO. If he can be killed, but does what he does anyways, then he's risking himself. If he can't be killed, then so what? No risk, Wolverine will survive like always. Ho hum.

Courage isn't the absense of fear, but the ability to overcome it. Without fear, there is no courage. I like my heroes couragous, not immortal.

Maybe that's just me.

Igbutton
07-11-2008, 12:57 PM
This is exactly what I was talking about. You start talking about Wolverine and everyone has to pitch in, pretty soon the title of the thread will have to be changed to "Wolverine Chat: Why the brown costume was better." or something.

Not that I would mind all that much he is fun to talk about.

Tomcat1066
07-11-2008, 01:15 PM
At least no one is blasting Wolverine. Instead, we're blasting what inept writers have done to/with him.

That's an improvement, right?

Oh yeah, I like Batman too, because he's just a guy who's devoted his life to being a superhero and made himself into more. No special powers or anything, just great big brass ones! (Just to try and get it back on topic ;)).

Valdar
07-12-2008, 10:26 AM
This is exactly what I was talking about. You start talking about Wolverine and everyone has to pitch in, pretty soon the title of the thread will have to be changed to "Wolverine Chat: Why the brown costume was better." or something.

Not that I would mind all that much he is fun to talk about.

Yeah, this isn't really a message board for focused discussion- off-topic is ok because as you said, it's often stuff that's fun to talk about.

I second Deadpool as a favorite- you'd think that with all these people getting superpowers, more of them would be absolute jerks. Heck, all it takes is a little message-board anonymity to encourage most people to cut loose- imagine what super powers would do?

It's what made Robert Downey's Iron Man great, and Hancock even remotely watchable. Bendis' take on Purple Man in Alias is another good example- if your power was to make people do what you say, how big of a d*** would you wind up being?

I was really looking forward to this kind of thing with The Irredeemable Ant-Man, but that book didn't even come close. He steals a suit of armor and lies about it, and dumps a girl in a direct, non-weasely fashion because he's tired of the relationship, and that's about it? That puts him at foe-of-the-month level at best.

Dyser
07-13-2008, 09:58 PM
To me, this is a bit like asking 'which child is your favorite?' (Fortunately, I don't have children.)

Oddly enough, the characters that get my imagination going the most are the ones I probably had read the least: Dr. Strange, Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner was my favorite), Dr. Fate, the Atom, the Supreme Power universe of characters, the pre-Kirkman Ultimate X-Men characters, etc. I liked the Shift incarnation of Metamorpho in the beginning of the latest Outsiders, as well. Oddly enough, although I don't care for the Superman characters much, I had a soft spot for the last Superboy in the most recent Teen Titans book.

I also always liked the original New Mutants cast, as the majority of my comics were X-Men related, and I've been a bit disappointed that the group of mutants that I grew up with, having been told that they would be the next generation of X-Men, are for the most part tossed aside after the disaster that was Rob Liefeld. Cannonball and Wolfsbane were the only ones that really ever "made it" to the big leagues, and even at that those characters are more or less flat. No one in the business seems to know what to do with them. I really liked Illyana Rasputin and Danielle Moonstar. Karma rapidly devolved into a cycle of repetitive BS where she was alternately searching for or taking care of her siblings. Otherwise I've always liked Madrox and Colossus.

Basically, there are a lot of characters that I like but I don't feel have been handled well, handled well consistently, or I feel have gotten "the shaft." So much so that I can't pick a favorite. If any of several dozen characters that I like was handled well consistently, I could probably identify that character as my favorite. Unfortunately, the characters I seem to like usually wind up suffering from bizarre mischaracterizations, inexplicable personality or power changes, pointless deaths, and so forth so much that I can't.

agoraderek
07-16-2008, 06:38 PM
then it was battle of the planets (g-force, for the not-in-the-know


i love the 70's scripts (keee-OP!!!), i HATED the rescripted version in the late 90's...

michaeljearley
07-17-2008, 10:03 PM
THANOS rules the universe.

And Poet from Rising Stars.

Webhead
07-18-2008, 09:36 AM
THANOS rules the universe.

Yes, but Thanos was most definately a villain and not a hero.

I liked him a lot too, incidentally. ;)

michaeljearley
07-18-2008, 09:42 AM
Thanos was both. He did save existence after all. As well as neutralizing The Beyonder.
At the level he played the game, I'd almost say Villian and Hero don't apply.
His intent was always selfish, and he was defiently more evil than good.

It's like the Magento question. While defiently not a hero, and certainly not good aligned, I hesitate to striclty classify them as villians. They often played the villian, but weren't villianous.
Doctor Doom, Strife, Mr. Sinister...these were villians.

Webhead
07-18-2008, 01:02 PM
Thanos was both. He did save existence after all. As well as neutralizing The Beyonder.
At the level he played the game, I'd almost say Villian and Hero don't apply.
His intent was always selfish, and he was defiently more evil than good.

It's like the Magento question. While defiently not a hero, and certainly not good aligned, I hesitate to striclty classify them as villians. They often played the villian, but weren't villianous.
Doctor Doom, Strife, Mr. Sinister...these were villians.

Indeed, it's a very blurry, thin line between selfishness and villainy, but there is some distinguishing philosophical arguements.

"I" consider Magneto a villain in the sense that he valued himself and his own ideals to the point that he was willing to dominate all who did not fit those ideals. Case in point, Magneto believed mutants superior to humans. There is nothing inherently "wrong" about his right to believe so, but he becomes "villainous" when he decides to act upon his belief to have humans "treated" as inferior.

Selfishness or close-mindedness becomes "villainy" when it infringes upon the rights of others to lively freely, openly and unharassed.

Magneto may have felt perfectly justified in his own mind...but road to Hell is paved with good intentions...:)

My 2 cents.

michaeljearley
07-18-2008, 01:07 PM
Hehe. *Agree*.
However, I have two words that further blur that philosophical line.

Greater Good

Webhead
07-18-2008, 01:42 PM
Hehe. *Agree*.
However, I have two words that further blur that philosophical line.

Greater Good

:D

Tricky thing that "Greater Good".

In my experience, the ends do not justify the means...instead, the ends are as important as the means. You must not only have good intentions, you must also resort to good methods to achieve them ("good" meaning to hold utmost regard for and value of all life and liberty even of those who disagree with you).

"Villainous" means to achieve a "good" end is still "villainous".

"Good" means to achieve a "villainous" end is still "villainous".

Only "good" means to achieve a "good" end can create a truly "greater good".

That's why "heroes" never seek to kill the villains, because to resort to a villain's own methods is to become villainous...even if used for the "greater good".

:)

michaeljearley
07-18-2008, 01:51 PM
Well, therein lies the perspective.

I personally believe the ends do justify the means, and so I count characters like Thanos and Magneto as not Supper Villians, but something like evil Super Heroes......
Evil Super Heroes........
...

Webhead
07-18-2008, 01:55 PM
...and so I count characters like Thanos and Magneto as not Supper Villians, but something like evil Super Heroes......
Evil Super Heroes........
...

Hmmm...interesting...

In this way, would you distinguish an "Evil Hero" from an "Anti-Hero", or would you consider them more-or-less the same thing?

Curious...

michaeljearley
07-18-2008, 02:10 PM
No. Punisher is a step up the "hero" board. (but nowhere near as cool)

That comes to intent. Punisher is trying to help everyone by doing bad things.

Thanos and Magneto generally do bad things that help them, and in the process help others as well. (them refering to self as well as group they belong to)

Best example is when Thanos save existence. Either way, Thanos was dead. A true villian would have taken everyone with him. Like Doom. Doom would not have saved existence. He would have perhaps tried to save himself, or his minions, but there's no way he would let Richards come back to life, and himself die.

Perhaps Nobility or Honor could describe it. You can still be a complete "bad guy", but with enough of the above, you become better than a villian.

Webhead
07-18-2008, 02:39 PM
...Perhaps Nobility or Honor could describe it. You can still be a complete "bad guy", but with enough of the above, you become better than a villian.

Yeah, I can see that. There are certainly "villains" who have their own code and sense of honor. Not all villainy needs to be strictly corrupting and destructive. Some of the "best" villainy is that which is not completely irredeemable. In short, the villain that you want to hate, but that makes some decisions that you can't totally condone. I would call Thanos actions "heroic" in that he chose the more selfless of the two choices he was given...which certainly makes him a more noble and honorable character than someone like Doom would have been under similar circumstances.

Even villains can have hearts, souls, dreams and desires...the cool ones, anyway. :)

calico_jack73
07-22-2008, 11:12 AM
Damn! That is a tough question. When I was younger it would have been one of the legion of long underwear heroes. When I got a little older it would have been Ghost Rider, Deaths Head, or Grendel Prime. Nowadays I'd have to go with John Constantine.

Webhead
07-22-2008, 01:21 PM
If the question were "What's your favorite dark superhero of all time", then I'd probably have to say Rorschach. Screwed up in the head though he may have been, he had a sort of spirit and drive that few other "dark" or "anti" heroes have.

A "dark" hero has to be really well told to be appealing to me. I don't generally like "dark" for dark's sake. There has to be some kind of redeeming or pitiable quality to it.

nijineko
07-26-2008, 08:06 PM
i've been fond of the original dr. solar, the question, and the original daredevil since those were some of the first comic books i ever read. when i was home sick from school, my dad dragged out all the old comic books he'd saved over the years, and i would get to read them. always made me look forward to getting sick. ^^

Bearfoot_Adam
08-17-2008, 03:20 PM
I'm going to have to breeak away from the DC/ Marvel groups here and say Buffy. I've always thought she was an incredible hero who faced insane challenges both as a hero and as a person. She's also been changed by her experiances, not always for the good but still it shows depth.

Chi
08-21-2008, 11:51 PM
Batman because he is just an average man no actual superpowers. He has the most chance of dying and most all around normal.

nijineko
08-23-2008, 04:48 PM
well, i guess i've gotta admit it. my first favorite superhero was mighty mouse. read all that i could find. then it was battle of the planets (g-force, for the not-in-the-know), then thunderbirds-gotta love that secret base and the equipment! the original not the recent movie....) and so forth. but i'll always have that nostalgic sneaking fondness for mighty mouse.

nowadays? i would have to say the Anything Goes 5. Silverhawk, Toaster Puppy, Chimneysweep, Network, and Purrkitt. they've been my favorites since my late teens-early twenties, i would guess.

i broke away from the marvel/dc crowd from the first! ^^ but there are some that i like among that crowd too.

hueloovoo
12-09-2008, 09:09 AM
Maybe not a lot of people have read him or heard of him, but my favorite superhero of all time is definitely DC's "The Ray." I always was a fan of the obscure heroes, stuff that never really made mainstream, though The Ray did make it into Justice League Task Force for a while before he disappeared. But I loved his attitude, his hints of angst balanced by a sort of dogged determination, and I loved his powers, which rivaled some of the bigger names out there, IMO.

Any other Ray fans out there?

EDIT: Also, Deadpool comes in a close second. Cuz nobody could ever match that mouth of his, and the gleefully insane way he does things. The sheep missile was truly inspired.

Webhead
12-09-2008, 10:02 AM
As for the obscure and mysterious heroes, I've always been partial to the Phantom Stranger. I mean, come on...his origin story was actually 4 different possible origins making even the reader uncertain exactly who he is and where his power comes from. And he's even shown the ability to break the "4th Wall", speaking directly to the reader! :D

hueloovoo
12-09-2008, 02:21 PM
Breaking the fourth wall is fun now and then, as long as the comic isn't trying to be too serious. I got into the newer series of Green Hornet back in the 90s, and Wonder Man, and Dr. Mirage, and Ninja High School (yeah I know), but The Ray and Deadpool were the best ever. I don't think any of them were into breaking the fourth wall tho, maybe Deadpool, I don't recall for sure.

And alternate possible origins is definitely cool, I haven't read any that did that except a webcomic called "Unicorn Jelly." Really cutesy/funny comic, my favorite of the possible origins for that was: "Everything about a unicorn is steeped in the purest magic. And when a unicorn unwittingly urinated on a mindless evil Jelly, it grew a jelly horn and started to think for itself, questioning its evil ways..."

Needless to say, I like alternate origins.

Zig
12-12-2008, 03:33 AM
I'm a big fan of the anti-heros so the runners up are

Hulk
Deadpool
wolvie
Roshark from watchmen (in prison after throwing boiling soup in a cons face yells "im not locked up in here with you, your locked up in here with me!!")
Punnisher, mike zeck origional mini series best line ever in a comic... he's walking through Rikers in cuffs and the inmates are getting excited saying "its him!" "he's here!" etc and he's thinking "I'm like the hurricane... theres a calm in my eye and I'd like to blow them all away")
Judge Dread
the Killer (wanted)
constantine
grendel

but the all time tops has to be...

Martial Law.
little known of graphic novel now but damn the guy kicked ass, ran around killing the worlds most famous superheroes (who were criminals), was the best graphic I ever read. classic lines "this gun shoots 8 diffrent shades of sh*t, pick a color" and "they say I dont pray for my enemies... I do... I pray they go to hell" and all those lines about how all superheroes are homsexual icons because they save women, children, and dogs..things that can be dominated sexually but never big burly men, etc. god it was funny. plus had a scary costume.. leather nazi SS. suit with a red striped bondage mask and a arms wrapped with red bobwire. ya just gotta see or read it to appreciate. plus had the best master villian of all time (wont spoil it if ya havent read it) and a kick ass nemissis "I am bacteria, I am the lowest form of life... I am a superhero" so many plot twists... damn its good. got bad latter when he teamed up with Pinhead (yeah the cenibite) etc but was good till then.

Moritz
12-21-2008, 05:36 PM
Batman because he is just an average man no actual superpowers. He has the most chance of dying and most all around normal.

Yeah, but Bats is about the only one who hasn't died, yet.

But they always come back.

We know Jean Grey comes back every other year.

Superman died and split into 8 different characters.

Death sells comics though... and DC has a bullet with Bat's name on it. But he'll be back.

Soft Serve
12-22-2008, 06:06 AM
There's already a "dead batman" comic where he's suffered old age and fights superman and then kinda dies but has robin (who's a girl for some reason) come back and save him with some chemical mix or something.

Rochin
12-22-2008, 10:48 PM
My favorite is Supreme from Image comics. He may have been a semi Superman clone, still an awesome comic though. I liked the art direction, storyline, not too bad.

Banshee
12-23-2008, 01:51 AM
By far, my favorite superhero is The Punisher. Though I'm at odds as to whether he qualifies as an actual superhero (he has no super powers, after all) I do admire his skill, intelligence and determination. When you consider that he maintains these traits even after having his very world ripped from his grasp, it makes him that much more impressive. Some might disagree with his methods, but he's doing what he considers to be the right thing.

Whatever anyone says about the Punisher, one has to consider that a man that skilled, intelligent and determined for a cause is a terrible force to oppose. He has nothing to lose. :cool:

Etarnon
12-23-2008, 04:16 AM
Though not comic book, Doc Savage. I used to collect those pulps.

Soft Serve
12-24-2008, 04:38 AM
haha I'd have to say The Flash is my favorite. I loved his personality, and the way he got things done.

Zig
12-25-2008, 01:45 AM
banshee-

Hearing that reminds me of one of my fave phrases in a movie... "Malcom X" where he's sitting at the table plotting some crime and the twerp who's the inside man starts trying to demand he's gonna be the leader, Malcom challenges him to russian roulette, puts the gun to his own head pulls the trigger twice then points it at the twerp's head and says "I guess now I owe you two.." the twerp backs down, begging, and malcom says...

"dont never try and cross some one who's got nothing to loose."

later his girlfriend accuses him of palming the round. he shows his girlfriend that there really was a round in the chamber... next one to be fired.

but I dont like the "realistic" punnisher (where he's thinner and always fighting gansters) as much as the more comic/super hero version. but both have that mean spirited dark comedy I just love though. I also liked how they used him in cival war... the way he tricked capt. america and killed the supervillians who wanted to join up. friggin awesome.

darthseb
12-27-2008, 08:05 PM
My top 3 would be as follows:

1. Supes
2. Mogo
3. Starman (Ted, of course)

Banshee
12-28-2008, 01:02 AM
I kinda have to agree to disagree here LOL. I mean, I like the comicbook Punisher, but when I saw the Dolph Lundgren movie version, I liked the comic book more! I thought that Dolph played the role too cornily if that's even a word. There was very little sense of realism. However, when I saw what Thomas Jane brought to the role, I think I went over to the "new" movie version of the Punisher. It might have helped that Rebecca Romjin Stamos was HOT in that movie, I don't know. It did seem more plausible though, so I liked it. My favorite part is the scene where the fat dude, the skinny dude and Rebecca are dancing and singing while cooking dinner all the while Frank is getting his @ss BEAT across the hall by the big Russian dude. I laughed my @ss off!

Zig
12-28-2008, 05:12 AM
that fight scene was taken from the comic, and yeah it was one of my fave fight scenes from any movie of all time... another would be the final fight scene from fight club "whoah woah woah... your shooting a gun, at your invisible friend, who happens to be standing in front of a van filled with nitro glycerine!"

punnisher luv.

Soft Serve
12-28-2008, 05:54 AM
I can't get over fight club... If Brad Pitt playing the role of Tyler Durden counts as being a super hero, then I'll go with that.

He was an imaginary being who started an underground terrorist organization. I mean come on. Magneto is imaginary and he practically did that very same thing...

Zig
12-29-2008, 07:06 AM
wait... how did imaginary magneto start a real ilfe terrorist org? are you talking about that hardcore transhumanist movement... "The Promethians" or the other one I think their called "transtopians"???

Banshee
12-30-2008, 12:55 AM
Fight Club was definitely a good pic. Odd, but good. Though it's totally off the subject, I also liked American Psycho... "I was probably returning some video tapes." LOL

hueloovoo
12-30-2008, 12:20 PM
Some of my favorite superheroes come from amateur fiction, too.

Perfect Jones, the gadgeteer/martial artist baseline girl who has a collection of stuffed rabbits that discuss her plans with her, from http://www.starharbornights.com/

Jade Sinclair, the 14 year old who looks 11 at most, who can animate objects with copies of herself then regain all the copies' experiences when they return to her, from http://www.crystalhall.org/

Actually, Crystal Hall / Whateley Academy has a ton of my favorite superheroes...

Webhead
12-30-2008, 12:32 PM
I don't know if they would really qualify as "favorites", but there are quite a few heroes and villains that I am very fond of from the Mutants & Masterminds RPG and, more specifically, the Freedom City setting.

I have a soft spot for Dr. Metropolis, Raven and also most members of the Allies of Freedom (Human Tank, Gunner, Lady Celtic and Sarge Shrapnel primarily).

Freedom City is the best supers campaign setting that I've come across thus far. Many of the characters are homages to other established supers but the whole package is done up with such a sense of love and respect for comic books. And then they've got people like Ramon Perez and Darren Calvert doing frequent artwork for it and that elevates it to awesomeness!

LAST CRUSADER
02-15-2009, 07:09 PM
Captain America.
But if they ever make a Captain Catholic I'll drop the Avenger and love the Crusader

Azatoth
03-21-2009, 12:44 PM
Thor and Daredevil here although I also like Green Arrow.

Arch Lich Thoth-Amon
03-21-2009, 12:49 PM
One who relies on intelligence, science and wit to alter the odds. I cant seem to recall, but wasnt there a great magician in comics from long past, not necesarily a super hero, per say, but powerful enough, just the same.

agoraderek
03-22-2009, 02:20 AM
One who relies on intelligence, science and wit to alter the odds. I cant seem to recall, but wasnt there a great magician in comics from long past, not necesarily a super hero, per say, but powerful enough, just the same.

Dr. Strange, by any chance?
--- Merged from Double Post ---
Oh, and I never posted my favorite superhero. Johnny the Homicidal Maniac. He kills Goth kids. 'Nuff said.

Arch Lich Thoth-Amon
03-22-2009, 02:36 AM
Dr. Strange, by any chance?
--- Merged from Double Post ---
Oh, and I never posted my favorite superhero. Johnny the Homicidal Maniac. He kills Goth kids. 'Nuff said.
Yep, i believe Dr. Strange was the one. My favorite comic book anti-hero(or superhero-depending on the perspective) will always be Dracula.

Soft Serve
03-22-2009, 03:04 AM
Oh, and I never posted my favorite superhero. Johnny the Homicidal Maniac. He kills Goth kids. 'Nuff said.


#1: Not a Super Hero
#2: He doesn't kill JUST Goth Kids. Remember he killed the priest and the priest didn't scream. He kills to feed the "thing" in his house by painting his walls with blood. Also he killed the guy doing that survey which said "Murder, good or bad?" and "Have you ever been murdered?"
#3: Written by the same writer & illustrator for Invader Zim, Johnen Vasquez. (just a funfact for everyone.)
#4: Johnny the Homicidal Maniac wins my vote for The Universes Favorite Massive Head Wound Recipient, and Favorite Villan.

:biggrin:

agoraderek
03-22-2009, 07:19 PM
#1: Not a Super Hero
#2: He doesn't kill JUST Goth Kids. Remember he killed the priest and the priest didn't scream. He kills to feed the "thing" in his house by painting his walls with blood. Also he killed the guy doing that survey which said "Murder, good or bad?" and "Have you ever been murdered?"
#3: Written by the same writer & illustrator for Invader Zim, Johnen Vasquez. (just a funfact for everyone.)
#4: Johnny the Homicidal Maniac wins my vote for The Universes Favorite Massive Head Wound Recipient, and Favorite Villan.

:biggrin:

#1: He is to me :)
#2: I never said he ONLY killed Goth kids, now did I? ;)
#3: And Filler Bunny!!
#4: Yes to part one, sub "Hero" for part two.

Side note, the quote you see is JTHM, tucking poor little Squee into bed :)

Soft Serve
03-22-2009, 09:50 PM
I loved Nail Bunny.

I have a stuffed rabbit my grandmother gave me my first birthday. it's held together by pinws and needles so I named it Nail Bunny.

guardian1968
10-07-2009, 12:20 AM
My favorite hero of all time would have to be the original Captain Marvel (in spite of Billy Batson). There's just something enduring about being embued with the powers of mythical figures that I find cool as all get out. I always thought CM should have been a prime love interest for Wonder Woman in a rebooted DCU. Both characters could be from the Golden Age and be near immortal due to their mystic and mythic origins.

Another reason I always loved Cap was that he could share his power with other people. Captain Marvel, Jr. (aside from having one of the most lame names in comic history) has just as cool with his blue version of the Marvel uniform. And Mary Marvel is just the girl next door with superpowers. Who doesn't like that???

Although I could have done without Grampa Marvel (the powerless git) and Talky Tawny (not to mention the Hillbilly Marvels or the Lieutenant Marvels). But for old-fashioned possibilities ripe for development that were again passed over in many ways, old-school Captain Marvel still is cool. What kid doesn't want to transform into an adult hero who can fly and has mythical attributes??? It was "Make Mine Marvel" in a very different sense.




Although, Adam Strange comes a close second since I just love the Golden Age of sci-fi...and everything AS was all about. Plus what kind of fantasy to have when you get older other than being abducted to another planet that needs you to help revitalize the species???

Soft Serve
10-10-2009, 03:19 AM
My favorite hero of all time would have to be the original Captain Marvel (in spite of Billy Batson). There's just something enduring about being embued with the powers of mythical figures that I find cool as all get out. I always thought CM should have been a prime love interest for Wonder Woman in a rebooted DCU. Both characters could be from the Golden Age and be near immortal due to their mystic and mythic origins.

Another reason I always loved Cap was that he could share his power with other people. Captain Marvel, Jr. (aside from having one of the most lame names in comic history) has just as cool with his blue version of the Marvel uniform. And Mary Marvel is just the girl next door with superpowers. Who doesn't like that???

Although I could have done without Grampa Marvel (the powerless git) and Talky Tawny (not to mention the Hillbilly Marvels or the Lieutenant Marvels). But for old-fashioned possibilities ripe for development that were again passed over in many ways, old-school Captain Marvel still is cool. What kid doesn't want to transform into an adult hero who can fly and has mythical attributes??? It was "Make Mine Marvel" in a very different sense.




Although, Adam Strange comes a close second since I just love the Golden Age of sci-fi...and everything AS was all about. Plus what kind of fantasy to have when you get older other than being abducted to another planet that needs you to help revitalize the species???

Isn't Captain Marvel in the new MK vs. DCU?

guardian1968
10-11-2009, 11:25 AM
I have no idea...I'm not as drawn to what's being published today because it rehashes something.

I think Cap should have been given a chance to return to his mythical roots without having to revamp him with every Crisis that comes up (oh, Billy Batson is now permanently retired and Jr. is now called Shazam [to get around the legality reasons on why DC can't use the title "Captain Marvel"]).

Other than the overall story of Final Crisis, it just sums up to shaking up the DCU to such an extent that much of the real magic of the comics will be lost along the way for characters who could have enjoyed being represented closer to their true spirits.

LAST CRUSADER
10-12-2009, 05:30 AM
Ive seen a lot of cartoons that make fun of aquaman as if he can't do anything out of water. They forget that he's super strong and fast, and his underwater telepathy has been used to justify some rather strange feats that have nothing to do with sea life. I have a marine character of my own on COH called Triton. no marine powers because the game doesn't include them but i made his energy blasts look like water and his energy melee look like bubbles on his hands

Soft Serve
10-12-2009, 04:38 PM
I bet your talking about Family Guy or Robot Chicken.

I know Robot Chicken played him off as lonely so he talked to the fish in the fishtank. And Family Guy portrayed him as not even going so far as to get out of the water to help the girl on the beech.

IDK if it counts but I liked Aqualad and Speedy as alternatives to Aquaman and Green Arrow. And Robin better than Batman. I guess I have a sidekick thing?

LAST CRUSADER
10-12-2009, 09:50 PM
Just wanted to mention that my favorite Superhero is still Captain America. Now that Marvel killed him pointlessly, I might never buy another Marvel comic again.

Soft Serve
10-13-2009, 05:57 PM
They killed him? An he's one of my favorites.

Dytrrnikl
10-14-2009, 01:43 AM
For me, it's Superman. Here's an alien on Earth that could sit back and do nothing, but decides to use his extraordinary capabilties. He could easily dominate and oppress the world, yet doesn't. He doesn't even try to rule.

Of course my close second would be Psi-Hawk of Marvel in the mid 80s, from the short run series Psi-Force. The only Marvel series I enjoyed back in my comic collecting days - it had to be DC (primarily), Independents (second), marvel was a snow balls chance in hell of being looked at, but it did happen.

Valdar
10-14-2009, 10:06 AM
They killed him? An he's one of my favorites.

Just remember the old adage, "Nobody stays dead in comics except Uncle Ben", since he was the reason that Spider-Man became a hero.

That quote used to be, "Nobody stays dead in comics except Uncle Ben and Bucky Barnes", since Bucky's death was why Marvel doesn't have teen sidekicks as POV characters like DC does. But Bucky didn't stay dead. In fact, he's now the new Captain America...

Soft Serve
10-22-2009, 12:39 AM
They were probably talking about that quote when they promoted him to Capt. America.

Yeah. Becoming Capt. America is a promotion no matter who you used to be.

guardian1968
10-27-2009, 11:58 AM
They were probably talking about that quote when they promoted him to Capt. America.

Yeah. Becoming Capt. America is a promotion no matter who you used to be.


I personally would rather see Immortus fix all this mess and set Bucky in the assassin's target while returning the real Cap to his fans. After all, after decades of reading comics, I see no other good reason for Bucky Barnes other than to facilitate the original Cap in some way. He was a sidekick in the worst of terms, I feel (Rick Jones made a better Bucky than Bucky, in my eyes) and to suddenly resurrect him and make him Captain America is nowhere near as good a legacy hero coming out into his own as, say Nightwing.

Immortus. Kang. Some various incarnation of him in-between. That's what we need to sort this out...before Disney does and decides to kill Steve Rogers' mom just for the sake of character development.


...but I digress...

Morcant
12-03-2009, 09:33 PM
My favorite superhero is Spider-Man, pre-OMD, by Marvel Comics.

There were several reasons I enjoyed the character so much, including his relationship to Mary Jane and other supporting cast members and the balance he always tried (with much difficulty) to maintain with his personal and heroic identities.

Redd
01-07-2010, 10:22 AM
Have to admit, I always had a bit of a fanboy in me for the web head, Spidey, as well as a few of his villians such as Venom and Doc Oc. Overall I think it was probably always my favorite series.

Though I have to admit Kurt Wagner, A.K.A. the incredible Nightcrawler was always close to my heart. I love his ability of teleportation, and the fact he looks so different from normal people, and as such, is an outcast to most people.

To add to the ridiculous super hero thing...
Aquaman: "come on guys! We can use whales! WHALES!!!"

yukonhorror
01-07-2010, 10:39 AM
always been partial to the tick.

SPPOOOONNN!!!

The Speaker in Dreams
04-16-2010, 01:27 PM
Well ... my favorites have changed with time, but initially I was all about Wolverine - I got into comics with his crucifixion by the Reavers in Australia - that emotional ride they had him on, and the tie to Jubilee sold him to me.

After a while, though, I decided that Captain America's the best, most heroic hero I can imagine. He's got all the moral impetus of say Superman, and not even a fraction of the power ... yet he hangs and bangs with the best of them (mostly on account of the shield - barely). He's the one the heaviest hitters look to for approval - that says plenty about him and the respect he's earned from these guys.

Plus, you just gotta love a guy that can plan and command like him. He's like the MacGuyver of "win" more or less. You give him any situation, and he'll plan it RIGHT THERE to turn the tide.

Batman needs all of this planning time and stuff to be written in most of the time, and it just comes off kind of lame by comparison to me. Cap, on the other hand, get out-classed, but still manages to figure out a way to snatch victory anyway - it's just more impressive to me given the situations I've seen him in and the feats he's accomplished compared to most every other hero out there.

And ... when Marvel shot him, I was devastated. I couldn't believe they let the Captain go out like that. Much happier now that he's returned, but cripes! What a terrible moment in comics that was for me.

On a side note, I love, love, LOVE the Nightwing/Robin/Dick Grayson character almost as much. As a character that's grown, developed, and become his own person - Dick Grayson stands head and shoulders above everyone else. He's awesome!

APN
04-19-2010, 02:59 AM
I loved Captain Britain when I was younger. Still like re-reading the 'Crooked World' storyline ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaspers%27_Warp ) I suppose Spider-man is the 'go back to' character, but the art has ranged from sublime to downright awful, same with the storylines. When John Byrne did Superman I was hooked on that series too. George Perez' run on the Teen Titans another favourite that pulled me in to love that book. I suppose I'm a sucker for well drawn comics, and the love for the character grows from there. After all that, no overall favourite that I've stuck to through thick and thin though if I made a rough list:

Spider-Man (if you had to tie me down to one he'd be it)
Captain Britain
Superman (Byrne reboot onwards)
Batman
And at various times I've followed/made favourites of:
Captain America
Iron Man

Groups:
Teen Titans
Justice League
Avengers
Defenders

Aside from the early X-Men stuff (pre wolverine) never been a mutant fan.

LAST CRUSADER
04-25-2010, 05:10 PM
The Mighty Paladin
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spidey
06-28-2011, 06:14 PM
You know... I just can't think of a fav. Oh wait. What's my name again?

:)

Arch Lich Thoth-Amon
06-28-2011, 09:48 PM
Spider Woman. Need I say more... and remember, I'm a Lich so she is a superhero for the dark side.

Do a google search. It will all become clear, mmm.

fmitchell
06-29-2011, 09:23 AM
As long as we're raising this thread from the dead, let me mention another honorable mention, Cassie Hack (http://www.comicvine.com/cassie-hack/29-47906/) from Hack/Slash. Cassie's essentially an angry goth girl with a gun and a baseball bat (and a hulking sidekick) who hunts down slashers (of the Jason Voorhees and Michael Myers variety) across the U.S.

Granted, she's not "super" in the strictest sense, although part of her talent was inherited ... but, like Batman, that's part of her charm. She's Batman without the wonderful toys, a homeless Batman who lives out of her car and works low-paying temporary jobs just long enough to keep herself and her partner fed and her revolver loaded. She's Batman for the economy of the 21st century.

Umiushi
06-29-2011, 02:20 PM
Sailor Moon. She learns from her mistakes, not just tactically, but ethically as well. She gets by with equal parts compassion and strength. She sticks to her main message, "You are not alone." She wins over those opponents that she can, and doesn't hesitate to deal with those she can't win over. She has a very bright future ahead of her as the eventual ruler of the solar system, and it seems she achieves it through her merits rather than as some destined legacy.

Sascha
06-29-2011, 03:17 PM
Sailor Moon.
And she subverts just about every magical girl trope from previous series, kicking off a second-wave of magical girl tropes. Noteworthy on many levels, indeed~

(Also, she very briefly shared a crush of younger me. Then again, so did the whole Inner Senshi group, as I recall :p)

froglegg
07-04-2011, 02:39 PM
Just wanted to mention that my favorite Superhero is still Captain America. Now that Marvel killed him pointlessly, I might never buy another Marvel comic again.

THEY KILLED CAP?!
WHO WAS THE FOOL AND I MEAN FOOL WHO DID THIS DUMBASS IDEA!!??
Sorry I will now get back on topic.
For me its SpiderMan.

John

Simon W
07-24-2011, 03:49 PM
Daredevil

Starphoenix26
07-30-2011, 05:44 AM
wow, tough question.

I'm an Avengers fanatic, so it wouldn't surprise you that my choices are all from that team. i'll guess i'lllist them from 5 down.

5) Hawkeye (clint barton.) the acrobatic wiseguy archer.

4) She Hulk - the brave giantess , smart lawyer,hates what marvel's done to her the past year.

3) War Machine - he's a marine , shows what happens when you get a angry man with heavy weapons.

2) Black Panther - he Smart, skilled, and deadly, this former king is being revived as the most dangerous man alove, i'm looking forward to it.

1) Iron Man. yeah, he's arrogant, yeah, he's rich, but man, with that brilliance and Toys, why not?

danbuter
08-02-2011, 12:15 AM
My favorite is Guy Gardner. Best Green Lantern ever!

I'm also a big fan of Captain America.

AeonNovro
09-02-2012, 07:54 PM
Richard Ryder, Nova. Love how he explores the universe, never gives up and is able to fathom and deal with things so far beyond comprehension. Great sense of humor and not the smartest, but quite clever in a streetwise kind of way. Started out as a normal guy. Add to that how much boot he puts to butt and did I mention he never gives up? Oh yea, like Cpt Kirk, hooks up with green alien hotties, lol.

nijineko
09-09-2012, 12:53 AM
when i was a kid, i might have said this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgJ7Yf_2GuI



as a young teen, i probably would have picked either the question or dr. solar.



now? hard to say. purrkit or toaster puppy, belike.

Bonny
09-13-2012, 05:04 AM
My first favorite hero as a child was the Flash. It turned out later that I found out that his powers in the DC Universe are quite powerful, and that the Flash is very creative in utlizing his powers in various way.

nijineko
09-21-2012, 02:16 AM
i'm a big fan of people creatively using powers in unexpected and unusual ways.

QT Games
11-10-2012, 01:06 AM
I grew up with the Fantastic Four, so they have a special place in my heart - especially the Silver Surfer and other guest stars. The Black Panther is a very interesting character as well. He's the smart fighter, like Batman, but without the gadgets, fighting in the jungle, instead of the concrete jungle, and a regal king to boot. I also loved Thor as I was really into norse mythology, and enjoyed Marvel's take on it. The Avengers were wonderful, of course. If I had to pick one, it would be the Silver Surfer.

magic-rhyme
08-09-2013, 12:26 AM
Superman when he's well written (which is not often).

Actually, before I know whether the writing will be any good, my hopes jump high when I see I may get to read a story involving pre-Crisis Supergirl, Supergirl/Matrix, Supergirl-merged-with-Linda-Lee-who-later-meets-God, Power Girl, Mary Marvel when written by someone who respects women, Wonder Woman when written by George Perez or someone else who respects the character (not the depressing New 52 degradation of the character), Zatanna from 1980s to 2010, Troia and pre-Crisis Wondergirl (but not necessarily any other incarnations of Donna Troy), and Cassie Sandmark Wonder Girl.

My hopes fall down whenever it looks as though the story will substitute exaggerations of their female anatomies for characterization (or mutilate their characterization into "male-bashing" stereotypes of "women power", something which even Power Girl has outgrown by now when well-written), which happens all too often.

On the Marvel side, my hopes jump high when I see I may get to read a story involving the current Ms. Marvel (never liked their re-naming her Captain Marvel, however -- I keep expecting her to shout "Shazam!" now), Jessica Drew Spider-Woman, Namora, or a long-vanished favorite, Darkstar of the Soviet Supersoldiers.

My hopes fall down whenever it looks as though the story will be another pile of ogle-pics instead of a story (or mutilate their characterization into "male-bashing" stereotypes of "women power", something which even Ms. Marvel has outgrown by now when well-written), which happens all too often.

hueloovoo
08-10-2013, 12:41 AM
magic-rhyme, you rock. Just sayin'.

magic-rhyme
08-13-2013, 11:29 PM
magic-rhyme, you rock. Just sayin'.

: )

I take it you share my hopefulness about getting to read well-written female characters?

Thorn
09-03-2013, 09:38 PM
Green Hornet, most DC'S and Marvel's super heros, the Shadow, the Phamtom are some I alway liked.

nijineko
09-04-2013, 10:17 AM
i've always been fond of the shadow, green hornet and also the question.

my most recent female fav is balsa from seireinomoribito. such a well done character!

however, i recall reading so many decent stories with strong, well written, female lead characters as a youth. this frequently lead to me playing the only female in many rp games and groups as a youth and young adult, just because i felt it wrong and unfair for it to be so male dominated, and no strong interesting females in sight anywhere that weren't there solely to be eye-candy or wallpaper. sadly, i seldom find such in comics, which is one of the main reasons i don't read comics very much, despite being very enamored of the whole superhero genre.

some of my characters are even based on revisions to poorly written female characters simply as my personal protest against such stupidity; especially in the supers genre.

Golden Age Superhero
09-05-2013, 06:47 PM
when i was a kid, i might have said this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgJ7Yf_2GuI



as a young teen, i probably would have picked either the question or dr. solar.



now? hard to say. purrkit or toaster puppy, belike.

That was awesome!

Golden Age Superhero
09-05-2013, 06:51 PM
The Hulk is my favorite because even though he is misunderstood he is still a hero. I loved the Planet Hulk story. Read him all through the 70's as well as watching the Incredible Hulk tv series.

magic-rhyme
09-09-2013, 08:32 PM
some of my characters are even based on revisions to poorly written female characters simply as my personal protest against such stupidity; especially in the supers genre.

I would love to run a player with such a take on a character!

nijineko
09-11-2013, 12:57 PM
I would love to run a player with such a take on a character!

i would like to play a supers game again, my current group is having great fun in both of our d&d fantasy campaigns, but i could use a change of pace and genre. i'm comfortable with a group or just two or three, so long as it is pbp. unfortunately, i don't have time just yet, but i will keep you in mind for when i do!

magic-rhyme
04-06-2014, 12:23 AM
i recall reading so many decent stories with strong, well written, female lead characters as a youth

My players recently confided to me that they can almost always tell which supervillain will be the most challenging by how he or she handles gender.

If one of the supervillains is either a strong, impressive female or a male who eschews traditional gender roles, that particular supervillain is going to be the most powerful or the most cunning of the group.

If one of the supervillains acts like a 1950s gender stereotype or otherwise old-fashioned, either a female who seems to exist only to show off her body or a male who raves about he-man sports and women "knowing their place", that supervillain is almost always going to be incompetent no matter how allegedly powerful he or she might be on paper.

After a moment thinking about it, I had no choice but to congratulate them on something I hadn't noticed myself!

I don't see any reason to change that. I only asked them not to reveal it to new players but to let them figure it out on their own.

nijineko
04-06-2014, 01:40 PM
hmmm, comparing a gender-driven metric of maturity with competency in overall life... that's an interesting paradigm.

magic-rhyme
04-11-2014, 03:55 AM
hmmm, comparing a gender-driven metric of maturity with competency in overall life... that's an interesting paradigm.

IMHO, it's all right to set up a trap that only sexist players would fall for, but it is wrong to use a deus ex machina to push them into the trap -- or to have the trap hunt them down. And if the sexist somehow doesn't fall for the trap, well good for him or for her!

That difference between a good GM *letting* sexists fail and a bad GM *making* sexists fail is a fine line too many people don't know how to walk with any success.



I still remember one male player who jumped up and shouted that I was cheating by making the female NPCs too good at combat because "everyone knows women don't know how to fight!" I didn't have to make a response because the female players at the game immediately let him know in no uncertain terms just how wrong he was in his sexist beliefs about women. I don't think he quite believed them, but after that, he did become a bit more open-minded about women. (I've also met a few female players who were sexist about male NPCs and male players.) And then there was the convention D&D game where a player freaked out when an historically accurate gay NPC was lawful good, yelling at us that only chaotic evil characters could be LGBT. I won't even get into the racist players I have encountered! Such people may deserve our compassion, but their prejudices should never get our affirmation or tolerance, not even when they threaten to ruin the game session for everyone unless their prejudices receive overt validation (a threat which works with far too many game masters).

Fortunately, the sexists, racists, homophobes, religious bigots, anti-intellectuals, etc. are still only a small percentage of the gamers I have had to deal with in real life. They seem to be more common online, as I've noticed in some of my times in the chatroom, for example, or at least louder, but I can avoid them most of the time in real life. They make for memorable stories, however!

nijineko
04-12-2014, 05:49 PM
i have had an interesting historical background in roleplaying... i was raised, and am, a Christian. my first gaming group was run by an elder in the church, with a bunch of deacons, teachers, priests, and other young men as gaming companions. most of my gaming companions have been, if not Christian themselves (many were), then individuals who not only believed in something as strongly as the rest of us, but was able to carry on respectful discussions of our similarities and differences. as a result of my childhood upbringing, personal experiences, witnessed events, and so forth - i wound up being racially colorblind, yet with a deep respect for the value in the differences that our races, cultures, environments, and backgrounds bring to shared experiences. in a similar fashion, i have no particular gender bias with regards to the capabilities or potential of any given individual's ability in tasks and challenges; yet i also acknowledge that men and women are generally not the same, that they have different strengths and weaknesses that are generally (though not always) common to each gender, have differing mentalities and understandings of common experiences which bring value and necessary diversity to shared experiences, and can receive value (individually, as a gender group, and as the human whole) from gender specific activities.

from my mother, my religion, and my own experiences and witnessed events, i learned that each individual must be permitted to choose for themselves their path, even when others disagree with it. i was taught, and attempt to practice in everything that i do, that there is an ultimate good, with laws and rules which apply to all humans without exception - but that humans will perceive different ways, means, and rules as representing that ultimate good, and their right to choose their path must be preserved, even when, especially when, it is a path with which there is disagreement. i have occasionally found myself defending people with whom i utterly disagree, simply because others who also disagreed with them were not respecting their right to choose their own path.

as applied to gaming, these aspects of my soul have prevented me from gaming with anyone who did not have a similar respect for life, choice, and individual worth and value. i am forced to admit that i have had very few bad gaming experiences, simply by virtue of apply a certain standard to everyone with whom i might game, and making it a habit to watch people before committing or agreeing to a game. finding a point of disagreement, and seeking to show another point of view is always very revealing of what manner of person i am speaking with. (i think that when i deliberately applied this last test in chat a few months ago, is where it revealed one or more very poor gamer or gamers who frequent the chat, and as an aftereffect tagged me with the false and inaccurate reputation of a troll. attempting to correct this misinterpretation was not well received, so i've simply let it be since. )

i was recently accused of being an elitist, which rather bothered me. it resulted from a discussion of various editions of d&d. the funny thing is, that my comments did mirror those of elitist types, though the line of logic and reasoning that led me to make the comment that got me accused was in fact, very very different. it was also not helped by the fact that the individual in question insisted on using one narrow specific metric of measurement, when i had already specified a different metric and gone to some trouble to detail it. in any case, i see that communication is so fragile, a web of perceptions and refusal to change an impression, a fog of differently interpreted meanings to the same set of words.

insofar as setting traps go, i can say nothing against it, after all, the texts of my religion teaches that using stratagems and cunning is permissible against an enemy. however, one must be very careful of whom they claim as an enemy, as well as the spirit, intent, and purposes with which they go about their proposed tasks. as for me, there are some who attempt to chose me as an enemy, though all too often, i refuse to grant them the status of an enemy. i think to date, i have only one individual that i am willing to claim as an enemy.

same gender, mixed gender, and change-gender individuals... i am in a peculiar situation which regards to such people. on the one hand, i firmly believe that making such choices violates the laws that the creator and parent of the human race requires of all humans without exemption, and as such, i generally characterize such individuals as 'making a wrong choice'; however, on the other hand, they have the right to make that choice, and while i do not happen to agree with those particular choices, i will defend the right of each and every person to choose for themselves their path, without exception.

a discussion as to my years of research, prayers, ponderings, and contemplations that led me to that conclusion in my belief is really beyond the scope of this post, and as such, i must ask that readers inquire of me in more detail - perhaps in a pm to preserve the tenor of this post thread - should they desire to debate or disagree. ^^

most of my memorable stories are of interesting things that happened in game, since i have almost never actually gamed with poor gamers.

magic-rhyme
04-14-2014, 03:41 AM
i am forced to admit that i have had very few bad gaming experiences, simply by virtue of apply a certain standard to everyone with whom i might game, and making it a habit to watch people before committing or agreeing to a game
A luxury one does not have when one game masters at a convention as a scheduled game master, as I have, or game masters an open unofficial game at a convention, as I have, or accepts appointment as the primary game master for a specific gaming group composed of friends but also guests of the friends, as I have.

Also, I have game mastered long enough in this life that I have run players ranging in age from 13 years old to 65 years old, which means there is a greater chance to come across someone who has become set in his or her ways or someone young enough to be parroting hatefulness overheard on FOX News or Limbaugh and also too young to understand truly what he or she is saying.

I have had a number of people who first played with me when they were teens later tell me in their adult years that I was one of the influences on their developing a more open-minded, progressive, intelligent (and spiritual!) approach to life and turning their back on the prejudices of their parents.


i was recently accused of being an elitist
An old joke goes that the word "elitist" simply means "someone who is not as mentally lazy as I am -- and I resent it!"


insofar as setting traps go, i can say nothing against it, after all, the texts of my religion teaches that using stratagems and cunning is permissible against an enemy
Not TRAPS but TESTS, to use your sense of the word "trap".

A trap is intended to harm an enemy.

A test is intended to tempt an ally into a learning situation -- or give said ally a chance to demonstrate that he or she has already learned the lesson.

Think Yoda's tests for Luke or Professor McGonagle's tests for Harry Potter. Not the Rebellion's traps for the AT-ATs or Lucius Malfoy's traps for Harry Potter.