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Dirsion
10-05-2011, 03:22 AM
I'm new to playing D&D 3.5, I've picked up on a lot of the game and such but, my friend is a "Master" at it. Hes talking about making a divine/arcane caster with the ability to cast lvl 9 spells of both side by level 15/16. Can someone help me to understand how that is possible. I spent three days going through manuals trying to see how to increase my ability to caste higher level divine spells. We're starting a new campaign friday and I am playing a cleric. The dm said hes only planing to play to level 15, so I was wanting to be able to cast higher level spells sooner. I'd appreciate it if someone can help me.

nijineko
10-05-2011, 09:58 AM
using the ur-priest prestige comes to mind...

sounds like the dm might either be using early entry methods or some other unique method to boost access.

the earliest i've seen a 9th level casting is via scrolls and a 7th level character. by a literal interpretation of the rules cited, it is technically legal, even. ^^

do you know anything about the build? classes, prestige, feats or anything?

Dirsion
10-05-2011, 12:29 PM
I don't really know to much about what hes planning, Knowing him it's going to ridicules. What I'm looking for is a way to be able to cast at least 1 level 9 spell before lv 15. The cleric I'm going to play will pretty much be a weathermancer. Meaning I can control the weather and such. I know my friend to do what hes planning will involve a hella lot of muticlassing/prestige stuff.

MortonStromgal
10-05-2011, 01:56 PM
mystic theurge? 3 levels of cleric then 3 levels of wizard to advance both classes. so 15-6 would be 9 but not 9th level spells as you dont get those till level 17.

nijineko
10-05-2011, 10:39 PM
casting a ninth is a little difficult before 15... maybe an early entry trick into ur-priest would do it, as that prestige grants casting of 9s all by itself.

Dirsion
10-06-2011, 12:05 AM
I've come to a point that I do need some help understanding, I was looking at a prestige class, "Ultimate Magus" I've noticed that in multiple classes and Now I want to make sure I understand this. The "+1 level of existing arcane spell caster class" I know thats not the entry on Magus but, What all does that +1 level increase, Does that actually allow you to caste Higher level spells as in the Spells per a day chart as say with wizard? Example, if wizard has access to 3 level spells at level 4, and he gains a +1 existing level from a prestige, does that give him the access to the spells at level 7, which would be level 4?

nijineko
10-06-2011, 12:05 AM
q25what are the various methods, dubious or not, of achieving dual 9s (arcane/divine) at or before 15-16th level?

(actually, i'd be interested in any dual combo, including psionics... thanks.)


bump

BEFORE level 15/16 is... tricky. Basically, you'd need early entry into Nar Demonbinder and Ur-Priest (both offer their own spell progressions, so you can use them as a base and go into Mystic Theurge with a little trickery such as Eldritch Corruption, Sanctum Spell to qualify for MT earlier). It should be doable by around level 4 (though I'm not up to snuff on the prereqs of Nar Demonbinder so don't take my word for it.


here is a method, suggested by one more familiar than i....

DMMike
10-12-2011, 02:49 PM
If your DM is willing to let another player use broken prestige classes, he should also be willing to let you make up a broken class. If your DM is fine with letting one PC be more powerful than the rest, then you might need to pull him to the side and have a chat about fairness.

Malruhn
10-12-2011, 10:14 PM
I'm with DMMike on this one. Rather than trying to play within the broken rules, try talking to the DM about the situation.

nijineko
10-13-2011, 12:24 AM
no broken rules. only broken gamers.

but it is a good idea for everyone to be able to have fun, and not just one.

rabkala
10-13-2011, 12:56 AM
Agreed, there is no way to do this with official RAW. If somebody is intentionally misreading the rules, ignoring the rules, or using non-official material; everyone should be able to play the same game.

cplmac
10-13-2011, 09:48 AM
I also agree that if one player gets to have an exception that gives advantages, then all the other players should get to have the same exceptions. However, as the DM/GM, I would also allow the same exceptions to be added/used on the party's adversaries as well.

MortonStromgal
10-13-2011, 11:11 AM
Agreed, there is no way to do this with official RAW.

I don't know about that Beholder Mage casts 9th level spells at level 9 and thats RAW, I'm betting if you read min/maxing forums enough there is a way.

nijineko
10-13-2011, 10:39 PM
what i posted was from a min/max forum.

btw, beholder mage, ur priest, and nar demonbinder all get 9s before 16th level RAW and official. sorry.

however, a caveat on beholder mage. there is no official LA for a beholder, though skr has one on his personal site, iirc. generally a beholder is calced at ECL 15-20+ depending on interpretation. that's HD plus LA estimation of abilities. so that might not count technically.

muhaku2
09-17-2012, 04:28 PM
He might be using levels in the Mystic Thurge prestige class to level both his diving and arcane spellcasting.

nijineko
09-17-2012, 09:30 PM
considering that dual leveling is pretty much the only thing that mystic theurge does, i'd call that a safe assumption.