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tesral
07-06-2011, 02:45 AM
I just finished digitizing my 30+ year old paper world maps. 18 11x18 inch maps at 100 miles to the inch. I had to scan each one in three overlapping scans. 300dpi which will mean 1 pixel is a third of a mile.

The paper is a mess, yellowing, crumbling on the corners, stains here and there (no that is not a feature), the coloring was done with pencils and the quality of that coloring very uneven.

The job was prompted when I went to clean up my small scale digital maps and realized that jpeg had rendered then unusable. the colors have bled into each other to the point they are unsalvageable.. So if I want nice clean digital maps I need to start over.

Now comes the long job of stitching them together and cleaning the mess up.

Q-man
07-06-2011, 07:57 AM
That process doesn't sound like very much fun at all. Though I can imagine that having all your maps in a digital form would be pretty useful, and makes preserving them a lot easier.

Kinkos does laminating, which might not be a bad choice for preserving your hand drawn maps. Though doing that would make scanning much more difficult that it already is. A friend of mine took all his poster maps in to be laminated, which was pretty awesome since now they don't tear and work with dry erase markers.

tesral
07-06-2011, 12:32 PM
That would make changing them impossible, never mind the things are too far gone to really deal with. The scanning is done, the cleanup will take a while An example of the raw scans. Warning the files are from 10 to 13 meg.

http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com/fantasy/maps/map3A0001.png
http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com/fantasy/maps/map3A0002.png
http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com/fantasy/maps/map3A0003.png

Skunkape
07-07-2011, 07:13 AM
Well after owning Campaign Cartographer 3 since it's release, I finally decided to pick up the Annual and when I saw Jon Roberts overland style, I decided that I had to convert my maps to his style. So while I don't have as many maps to redo as you do tesral, I know where you're coming from as far as redoing maps is concerned. But I also think that my new maps are better versions than the old ones.

New Style (http://www.johnprime.com/wizard_quest/world/country/map_page.php?mapName=galideeria_map.png&countryName=Galideeria)
Old Style (http://www.johnprime.com/wizard_quest/world/country/map_page.php?mapName=calvinnia_map.png&countryName=Calvinnia)

It's two different countries, but the bottom of the new style map is where the countries connect at the top of the old style map. I'm going to probably do another screen capture of the new style, that was taken from a PDF of the map and I'm not sure it's clear enough for my tastes.

tesral
07-07-2011, 11:31 AM
Same issue I have with a lot of mapping software and I have CC. Mountains are mountains. The typical mixing of vegetation types and terrain types without the ability to differentiate the two as separate data. It is a constant gripe with fantasy maps. What if I want pine covered mountains, or such. It is easy to do on non mountainous terrain, but not in the hills and mountains.

To that end I'm developing my own map symbols for terrain, and vegetation will be color coded.

I'm working at decently high resolution, 100 miles to the inch and 300 dpi. It is possible to have some villages and towns depicted in scale. That makes a single map 5400 by 3300 pixels in size. I'm looking to re-cut the map from the 11x18 size to 8x10 sheets so I can bind them in a book for easy use. (18x3)/8= 6.75. That is width (11x6)/10=6.6 for height. I need to pad it out a bit top and bottom to make it even. Not an issue, just add water. 7x7=49, that is an easy page count to deal with.

With my book binder I can scribble on the pages as required and when I accumulate sufficient changes reprint the page.

Governor
07-07-2011, 01:54 PM
Well after owning Campaign Cartographer 3 since it's release, I finally decided to pick up the Annual and when I saw Jon Roberts overland style, I decided that I had to convert my maps to his style. So while I don't have as many maps to redo as you do tesral, I know where you're coming from as far as redoing maps is concerned. But I also think that my new maps are better versions than the old ones.

New Style (http://www.johnprime.com/wizard_quest/world/country/map_page.php?mapName=galideeria_map.png&countryName=Galideeria)
Old Style (http://www.johnprime.com/wizard_quest/world/country/map_page.php?mapName=calvinnia_map.png&countryName=Calvinnia)

It's two different countries, but the bottom of the new style map is where the countries connect at the top of the old style map. I'm going to probably do another screen capture of the new style, that was taken from a PDF of the map and I'm not sure it's clear enough for my tastes.

Hey Skunkape, I accidentally erased my email from CC3 that talked about the Annual. Can you point me to when you found it?

templeorder
07-07-2011, 02:35 PM
oh what a brutal topic. I still have my woeful hand drawn base world map...
http://www.incarna.net/set/srlm/media/map/srlmMapHand.gif

and a friend working on small bits like:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=177581672300504&set=pu.115258981866107&type=1&theater

Its such a brutal process.. depending on how detailed you want to get. I have CC as well and would love to get the time to go back and do it all with that. I intended do, and never got around to it.

tesral
07-07-2011, 07:38 PM
I've seen worse. Those are not bad at all.

Malruhn
07-07-2011, 10:38 PM
oh what a brutal topic. I still have my woeful hand drawn base world map...
http://www.incarna.net/set/srlm/media/map/srlmMapHand.gif

and a friend working on small bits like:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=177581672300504&set=pu.115258981866107&type=1&theater

Please keep in mind that this is ONLY my opinion - but I MUCH prefer your allegedly crappy hand-drawn map than the other. It's got more... character.

Tes, you are right - the maps are/were falling apart - it's obvious from the scans! They look like my old maps.

What I have done is scanned the old ones (as you did), then re-draw them in GiMP (a free drawing proggy like Photoshop). The maps are turning out VERY nice (although HUGE in size, averaging 250 mb per). It's slow and painstaking, and I'm only about 40% completed, but it's kinda fun working on the mess. I'm able to do multiple versions - a player's map and a DM overlay with stuff like wandering damage and dragon turds and such that the players won't see unless then stumble upon them.

Bless you for working on it - and I wish you many lucks!!
Its such a brutal process.. depending on how detailed you want to get. I have CC as well and would love to get the time to go back and do it all with that. I intended do, and never got around to it.

Skunkape
07-08-2011, 09:36 AM
Big thing I like about CC is that I can link maps together. Add a link to a city, click the link and you open the city map, add a link to a building and you can open that build's map. Unfortunately, so far, I haven't been able to do that with Photoshop!:biggrin:

tesral
07-08-2011, 10:02 AM
I'm using GIMP. Decent program with a wonderful price. Clean up on map 4B is coming along. I'm mostly done making the ugly vanish. Time to work on those symbols.

tesral
07-11-2011, 12:31 AM
Map update. I am getting the first map 4B to a state that looks a lot better, but far from finished. All those brown areas need to be filled with mountains and hill for example. I have more things to add and label.

http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com/fantasy/maps/map4B.png

One thing that surprised me until I thought about it was the crash in file size. From an aggregate 30+ meg for the three raw maps to 1.1 for the larger and more refined map. Color data. It has a lot less. The rough different color for every dot raw took lot of memory. The smooth handful of colors for the whole thing much less.

nijineko
07-16-2011, 01:15 AM
i have a few maps of different stripes that i have been working on... i'll have to post them somewhere when i have time.

tesral
07-16-2011, 02:46 AM
I am always interested in other people's maps. I've given the maps a rest the last cople of days working on spell lists.

tesral
07-21-2011, 10:58 AM
Further map update and blow the board buffer with a direct post. The mountains are getting put in, the finished area will look more like the hills beside "Bronzeload."

Remote File is too large. (http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com/fantasy/maps/map4B.png)

So click the nice link.