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IvanMike
01-28-2011, 09:21 AM
This was a fun project - 4 bite size videos (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=558832#) examining the good and bad parts of classic D&D saves, both AD&D and basic.

1 intro and what are saves? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crRdwU085Kc
2 how many are there really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbTtSc8WQ18
3 why the saves work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYcE3O4ENo
4 difficulty, modifiers, and table adjustments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UBq1g1GDgM

Arch Lich Thoth-Amon
01-28-2011, 11:20 AM
The videos were great, IvanMike. I forwarded them to many of my gaming buddies.

Sascha
01-28-2011, 11:42 AM
Yeah, I've enjoyed them, too. They're nice windows into - for me, at least - a different style of play. ('Specially the "completeness of rules" response video.)

IvanMike
01-28-2011, 09:22 PM
Yeah, I've enjoyed them, too. They're nice windows into - for me, at least - a different style of play. ('Specially the "completeness of rules" response video.)
ah thanks. I think the more that different gamers understand each other, the more we realize that we're not insane just because we like a different edition or overall playstyle. The hobby is small, i think we have far more in common than we realize. I'm new to the youtube format, but i enjoy tetsubo57's videos enough I figured it would be fun to take a whack at it. The neat thing is with a video - as long as you're somewhat articulate - the viewer can get a bit more of your intent through non verbal means, although the downside is you can't be as detailed as you'd like.

IvanMike
01-30-2011, 10:36 PM
Thac0 vs d20 vs AC - really? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHjdKcEUjtM

The thief - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_mkMtsn4OE

tesral
02-01-2011, 04:51 PM
Interesting. Agreed on the PoV thing. It is good to see how other people look at things.

Crom on his Mountain
02-06-2011, 04:01 AM
Bah! There is no making sense of 1e saves. I do like you're handling of them though, and I am an old school fan (2e though, not 1e). I much prefer 3e saves, though I like to add Brawn (Str) and Ego (Cha) saves.

IvanMike
02-06-2011, 09:57 AM
Bah! There is no making sense of 1e saves. I do like you're handling of them though, and I am an old school fan (2e though, not 1e). I much prefer 3e saves, though I like to add Brawn (Str) and Ego (Cha) saves.
Really? I thought they made a lot of sense once you tease them apart. I just wish the books came with the explanation of why they were they way they were. I can't be 100% sure, but i think i mostly nailed the justifications for them.

tesral
02-06-2011, 01:02 PM
The reasoning was well thought out, and points out the major flaw in there was no save to dodge stuff.I'm another Old School DM that prefers 3e style saves. The minute I heard about them I was chomping at the bit to change it.

I suppose you could have 6 saves. Brawn for strength, Ego for Charisma and, Wit for Intelligence. I'm not sure the complication would give you an appropriate increase in play value. Also how woyuld you use them?

Brawn is something you apply proactively. A strength check or an opposed roll. I don't see it as a save which I have always seen as reactive.

Ego? How does this differ substantially from Will? It is going to be a fine line to decide of a given spell or effect is ego or will.

Wit is the classic knowledge check and you have those. Again it is applied in a proactive not a reactive fashion.

Your millage may vary but that is how I see it.