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Marley117
09-25-2009, 11:40 AM
I have been playing 40K off and on for the psat ten years (yea since I was ten!) and never really got into terrain that much. I am finally getting serious, restarted, new army, all that, and I am wondering....any tips?

My first big question is..where in the heck do you get the pink/blue foam you see everyone using? I can't find it anywhere!

tesral
09-27-2009, 08:35 PM
Big Box home improvement stores. It's polystyrene foam ridged insulation.

Oh,and do not paint it with spray cans. It melts. Give the stuff a good coat of craft acrylic or cheap house paint and then you can do anything.

As to the house paint base coat look for light colors that were rejected in the custom mixing area. They usually go for far less than the retail price. You're just using it to protect the foam, color is not a big concern.

Rule One of making terrain is do not think hobby store. Everything is material if you look at it right.

Skunkape
09-28-2009, 07:47 AM
I have been playing 40K off and on for the psat ten years (yea since I was ten!) and never really got into terrain that much. I am finally getting serious, restarted, new army, all that, and I am wondering....any tips?

My first big question is..where in the heck do you get the pink/blue foam you see everyone using? I can't find it anywhere!

Fortunately for you, you live far enough north that places like Home Depot and Lowes should carry it in your area. I never had access to it without paying shipping charges about $10 per piece until I went on vacation this past June. We were up in New York state and I made sure to pick up 2 4x8 sheets of the stuff!

Would have gotten more but I really didn't have the space to bring more back home with me!:D

Anyway, I'd go to YouTube and search for 40k terrain, there are quite a few people out there who are making tutorials!

Marley117
09-28-2009, 08:41 AM
I did, but I also just wanted to get some ideas from you guys here. Just wondered if you had some 'pro tips' lol

I will definatly be going to Lowes and Home Depot. I actually found the answer to my question right after I posted here. Just going tonight with my friend who plays 40k as well.

My problem now is choosing an army I like. When I played before I played Space Marines. Now I started over and have an Ork army, but after playing Black Templars a few times ( and neither of us really winning or losing on skill but luck) I realized I want to play something more tactical than RUN AND GET IN CLOSE COMBAT! Plus....rolling 80 attacks with Ork Boys who assault and only doing 8 wounds and then watching all but 2 save....is kinda disheartening. Or seeing an entire Nob squad killed in one turn.

So I was thinking Catachans. I still have the no armor, but that isn't a big turn off. They can actually shoot!

tesral
09-28-2009, 11:28 AM
Fortunately for you, you live far enough north that places like Home Depot and Lowes should carry it in your area. I never had access to it without paying shipping charges about $10 per piece until I went on vacation this past June. We were up in New York state and I made sure to pick up 2 4x8 sheets of the stuff!

You can't get ridged insulation in Florida? The Heck? What about keeping that air conditioned air in and the heat out?

Speaking of which I need to get a two inch chunk. I want to build an N gage model railroad.

Skunkape
09-30-2009, 07:46 AM
You can't get ridged insulation in Florida? The Heck? What about keeping that air conditioned air in and the heat out?

Speaking of which I need to get a two inch chunk. I want to build an N gage model railroad.

You would think, but for some reason, they think we only need fiberglass insulation!:(

Marley117
09-30-2009, 09:00 AM
My new question...in your opinion should I stick with 40K or try out Fantasy? I am going to play Catachan Imperial Guard if I play 40K (I think) and Lizardmen if I play Fantasy.

Pros cons? Ideas?

Skunkape
09-30-2009, 12:12 PM
My opinion, stay with 40k. Reason, I like sci-fi wargaming better than fantasy, that's really it.

Now, I want to also add in, what is it that you're looking for? If you want to do sci-fi wargaming, then of course you want 40k, but if not, then Fantasy. But you were asking our opinions, so that's what I gave with my first statement.

Marley117
09-30-2009, 12:16 PM
I like both, but I want something a bit tactical too, which to me 40k lacks. I mean it is tactical to a point, but just seems like it is everyone running and gunning, with Space Marines pretty much dominating everything else.

Skunkape
09-30-2009, 12:18 PM
with Space Marines pretty much dominating everything else.

Heh, yeah, I see that mostly myself. Makes life tough for my Necron army when I'm mostly fighting Marines.

Marley117
09-30-2009, 12:51 PM
I play orks, and they are pretty much destroyed as well by my friends Black Templars. Only time I won I was pretty unorky and made him charge me while I waited in cover and picked off everything with my looted wagon lol.

It's why I wanna start a Catachan army. We agreed I could use the old Catachan rulebook, so at least i'll have a fighting chance.

WhiteTiger
09-30-2009, 03:08 PM
I played orks once against the Imperial guard but this was using old 3rd or 4th edition rules and you didn't have to take hardly any minimums and you could load up on vehicles. In short, I got decimated and never played them again. I went back to my Trusty Space Marines. :laser:

Marley117
09-30-2009, 07:15 PM
Well I like Catachans. They have the same combat (more or less) as orks, plus their Ambush ability! ;) Very deadly.

MarshamSane
10-01-2009, 03:29 AM
How did your orks loose verse Bts?

and chans ar okay for guard. cadians are my flavor, personally.

I play eldar, orks, guard, marine, chaos, and tau.

personally the only army I've ever had a problem against with my guard is nids.

Orks have never lost a battle, eldar lost once, tau are about 50/50.
I'm not too keen on the marines, but I ownt 1250 of them just to toy with in for fun games. Same with the Chaos.

Been playing for 3 years. Won a few local tourneys with the guard and eldar. thats how I won the tau army.

for IG I would make one suggestion prominent: Basalisks.
templates, pieplates, and 3" drops are your bread and butter. the mighty flashlight is a miraculous weapon, but slightly unreliable in many situations. make good use of cover, restrict enemy option by tactical aplication of your artillery. use the sentinels as infiltrators or flankers to eliminate crucial targets.

As for fantasy or 40K, I prefer 40K, though I have a high elf army as well. too many rules and too often do the rules for fantasy change for my liking.

anyways marley you know me feel free to ask anything bout the guard. they were my first and favorite army.

Marley117
10-01-2009, 11:26 AM
My orks lost against Black Templar on the ASSAULT! I assaulted him, killed two...he attacks first, kills half my squad. It makes no sense. He has higher strength, better armor, and just outlasts me. I hit on 4's, wound on 5's. Then he makes all the saves. Plus I just have terrible luck.

The only thing i've had luck with is my looted wagon owning his Dreadnought. He always looses that, and his Terminators can never deep strike right. He always messed up and has to roll on the mishap table.

I am really feeling the fluff behind the Catachans though. I like the tough army personna, which is why at first I wanted to play Gaunt's Ghosts, but I could never really find rules for them. Straight up Cadain isn't for me. I am not a tank person, which is why Catachans appealed to me. Only Sentinals and then setting up organised ambushes. Course I am modeling the crap out of them to take off their stupid heads. -grumbles-

mrken
11-26-2010, 10:48 PM
Best advice I can give anyone playing miniatures games. Get the biggest table you can handle. My table is a six foot by almost three foot folding table. ONe of those brown folding ones. Then, I put a 4x6 foot piece of chip board over it and clamped it down with bolts and wing nuts. Then when I get real serious, I put down two 3x6 foot pieces of this laminate board down and clamp it with the same holes. 6x6 foot is about as large a table as I can handle in my game area, but it is real sweet when I get to play on it.

tesral
11-27-2010, 08:31 AM
Just don't lean on it. :eek:

I need to get about make a new table for my basement as well. The current one is a old ping pong table that is literally about to collapse. The legs are very weak. I want to see the legs further inboard as well.

mrken
11-27-2010, 01:55 PM
My first table was a pool table. It was like eight foot long and was pretty cool, but the bumpers would constantly remind me of how not suitable for play (NSFP) it was, but the real problems were when I lost minis in the holes. Ugh!!! That just sucked.

My next gaming table was a ping pong table. Actually that was the best one in so many ways. It was huge! And, it folded up to put against the basement wall where it stuck out maybe a foot. It was great.

And you are right about leaning on my present table. One of my daughters friends just had to sit on it last night. lol Yeah, it started to , ah, sag. lol

Skunkape
11-30-2010, 08:39 AM
I have 2 6 foot conference tables that sit side by side for the gaming room. I've been building a table but am stalled currently until I can afford to buy the parts for the lights and paint. Other than that, I'm close to completing it!

mrken
11-30-2010, 03:27 PM
You ever consider blunder paint, the stuff someone orders and then finds out it is the wrong color? I got my signature bright florescent green paint that way. It is actually a primer, which makes it even better. :) Paid just a few bucks for a gallon. Have bought several gallons of them. Another place I get paint is from a recycler. The have a dump truck load of paint plus all kinds of other recycler stuff.

Skunkape
12-01-2010, 06:52 AM
That's an idea, but might not get the colors I want!:biggrin:

tesral
12-01-2010, 11:55 AM
If exact shade is not an issue blunder paint is a good deal. I've used it for terrain myself. "I need a green, what do you have?" and took the green that they had.

OH! Very important. Do not use solvent based paints on Styrofoam. It dissolves it. (For those that didn't know.)

mrken
12-01-2010, 12:30 PM
Hey Skunk, just keep checking all the time. I am at the home store all the time and just walk by the paint department. Takes just a few moments as I walk by. When I get a gallon I break it into several plastic mayo or nut jars and mix a few other colors in to get several different shades. I will buy earth tones for the most part, greens, yellows and browns mostly, bit I also got some blues and reds. :)

Skunkape
12-02-2010, 07:43 AM
OH! Very important. Do not use solvent based paints on Styrofoam. It dissolves it. (For those that didn't know.)

Yes, that's a very important tip!:biggrin:

Anarkitty
03-08-2011, 06:18 PM
Here's the best tips I have for you:


I recommend water-based primers as a base coat on styrofoam, nice and thick. Then you can spray over that all you like.
Spray adhesives are your friend when you have to glue flat sheets of anything together. Follow the directions.
1/4" MDF (medium-density fiberboard) makes a great basing material for individual terrain pieces. Especially if you are going to have modular hills, the styrene gets really fragile at the edges. Gluing it down to an MDF base with beveled edges will make it last 100x longer.
If you don't have any woodworking tools at all (a $2 coping saw cuts MDF just fine), or can't be bothered, foam-core is a good alternative, but the same thing applies: prime any exposed core material before you paint.
For cutting styrene, a hot wire cutter is nice, but not necessary. Get a package of razor-knives (the kind with the scored, snap-off blades that click-out) from the dollar store, and extend the blade about 3/4 of the way. Don't use expensive ones for foam though. You don't need it, and it dulls the edge. Save your good ones for other things.
Pink foam is more expensive, but significantly more durable. I highly recommend popping the extra few bucks.
Strips of square or rectangular chicken wire or hardware cloth make quick and easy ladders and railings for sci-fi settings.
Pringles-brand potato chip cans make good starting points for all kinds of industrial-looking terrain.
Hot glue is good to use for alien (looks like goo) or industrial (looks like weld-seams)terrain, but watch out, it will melt styrene even through primer. Avoid super glue, it melts styrene, it is brittile, and it is expensive. If hot glue doesn't work for you, go with either wood glue or rubber cement, depending on what you're doing with it.


This is just off the top of my head, hope it helps you or someone!

tesral
03-09-2011, 12:23 AM
Duco Cement, 541 and like glues are great for bonding dissimilar materials. If you have an archery shop nearby ask for original fletchtite. It is a vinyl glue that is tough and flexible. Again great for dissimilar materials including non porous to non porous. It holds plastic vanes on aluminum arrows repeatedly through the shock of launch and impact.

Old fashion carpenter's glue if you are gluing porous to porous.

Super glue is good for one thing. It makes fibrous plastic out of raw cardboard. Make cardboard thing, that gray sheet cardboard is best. use super glue to put it together, in a very well ventilated area soak the thing in super glue. A friend of my William Wardrup (http://www.freewebs.com/steamnoir/) makes nearly everything in this manner, he is a professional modeler. He even makes working submarines from cardboard. A knife cardboard and super glue are his primary materials.

Skunkape
03-09-2011, 07:44 AM
Super glue is good for one thing. It makes fibrous plastic out of raw cardboard. Make cardboard thing, that gray sheet cardboard is best. use super glue to put it together, in a very well ventilated area soak the thing in super glue. A friend of my William Wardrup (http://www.freewebs.com/steamnoir/) makes nearly everything in this manner, he is a professional modeler. He even makes working submarines from cardboard. A knife cardboard and super glue are his primary materials.

A friend of mine makes rockets that can be launched out of cardstock, reinforced with super glue! I've seen first hand how strong the cardstock gets after coating in super glue!