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Soft Serve
06-18-2009, 03:56 PM
For the sake of convienence (or however thats spelled) the rules and players list have replaced my original post.






Characters MUST fit these requirements.

Level 10 MAX. For every level you make under 10 you earn 30 points. (So going in lv8 is an extra 60 pts)
50,000 GP to spend. You may keep GP from Char Gen for points. (1,000GP = 1PT)
35 Attribute Points. All attributes start at 8 and you can add 35 points to those totals using the Point Buy rules in the PHB 3.5. You must use at least 30 pts, but for every one you don't use you gain +10VP to the end tally.
Character Generation Rule Edits

All 3.5 Core Classes, Races, Feats, Skills, and Prestige Classes allowed. (meaning PHB and DMG stuff only.)
All Expanded Psionics, Classes, Races, Feats, Skills, and Prestige Classes Allowed. (If you have more Psionic material you would like to put on your character not found in this book BRING IT UP WITH ME TO OK IT FIRST!)
Warforged, Shifters, Kalashtar, and Changelings are allowed.
If you can afford it, you may purchase any five items from the Magic Item Compendium. Thats 5 DIFFERENT ITEMS. Meaning if you buy an item that only works once a day you may buy 6 or 7 or however many of it as you want without it taking from your limit.
You may take your starting GP and have paid for the expenses of an NPC to cast spells on you prior to the dungeon.
The Definitive Victory Points Tally

For every trap disarmed, or triggered intentionally with no DMG result is +5 VP. You cannot trigger a trap UNINTENTIONALLY, somehow manage to take no DMG (either by reflex or fortitude saves) and earn these points. This rule is set for people who will find a trap then set it off from a safe distance.
For every trap set off (Unintentionally) is a -5VP penalty. Weather it deals damage or not is insignificant to VP Tallys.
Every 1,000 GP is 1VP. You may keep GP from Character Generation to add to your VP total at the end. This means going in with less equipment then normal for a bonus to your VP tally.
Death is -50 VP. No matter what the circumstances. If an ally turns around and blasts you in the back of the skull with an enchanted arrow on accident it's still -50VP when it kills you.
Going in shorthanded by one player is +300VP. the Sum of their level in VP. 3 is the bare minimum of allowed players. NOTE that if you go in shorthanded you WILL NOT find any of the gems litered throughout the map.
Going in having used less attribute points in Char Gen then the alloted amount gains you +10 VP per point left over. You must use at least 30pts in Char Gen however.
Random Stuff You Will Want to Know







This is the section where I share the knowledge of the dungeon you will be tackling that you SHOULD know.

The Dungeon is LV 12.
The surrounding outdoors is desert.
If you roll a critical, you hit a critical. No need to confirm the crits.
It will consist of two floors and be AT LEAST (meaning there could be more then this) 70% underground or indoors.
(In-Game) Your party will be escorted to the dungeon by a guide named Al-Qabar who will only give your characters one week to resurface before he leaves without you.
If you fail to make it back to Al-Qabar you will lose ALL of your points. Either because you died or you took too long to complete your mission.
Your spellcaster has an XP pool of 1,000 XP to cast spells with. Once that's gone it's gone and killing monsters isn't bringing it back.
Your rogue is not allowed to sit at the mouth of the cave and steal from the other parties (Khaotyk)
Neither is any other class in your party....
Treasure -- All teams are running the SAME EXACT Dungeon with ONE exception. The positions of treasure will be moved around to ensure that noone can cheat. The VALUE of the treasure will NOT change. This means that while the teams will be tried on finding the treasure differently each time, no one will be able to gain any more then any other team. This means that if every single team, finds every single treasure, they will all be guaranteed the same amount of points from it at the end.

Gems -- There will be 6 hidden gems in this dungeon. A diamond, a jet, an emerald, a ruby, a saphire, and an amber. These have no significance other then VP. Each one is worth 50VP so they're worth looking for.







People Available
Trialbyfireent
PlattevilleGamer
Another
Full Teams
Cplmac, Thoth-Amon, Khaotyk (room for one more)
Aeval, Harley, YukonHorror, Panthro82
People who showed interest
Crossroads Wonderer
Captain Glycerine
Rklautzer
Q-Man
Crew
Myself (DM, Dungeon Design, Rule Design)
Nijinko (Trap Design)
Lucian-Sunaka (Rule Design Assist.)
Teams who completed their run
Lucian-Sunaka, Kryeed, Alathil, Deneb (Mental Superiority)
Cynic (The other members quit early)

Scores








700 :: Mental Superiority
300 :: Conrad

Lucian-Sunaka
06-18-2009, 08:27 PM
First off, when you say premade, are you just referring to ability scores, or are you talking feats, spell selection, the whole gammut? Honestly I don't think I'd have as much fun playing a character that was entirely preset, thats what videogames are for lol.

Also, a suggestion. Instead of making it a pure dungeon conquest, make it an overall competition, where the DM also rates the roleplaying, both individually and as a group, and that contributes to the score as well as the time, victories, etc.

Soft Serve
06-18-2009, 08:33 PM
It's a little too tricky to judge according to roleplay. And I was thinking of giving a list of races and classes and using the pointbuy system and just trusting the players this time around considering there is no pot at the end of the rainbow here.

Come to me with a character made for lv10 with 35 points for attributes and I'll probably ok it.

KEEP IT SIMPLE.

I'm running off core rule books atm...:D.

Lucian-Sunaka
06-18-2009, 11:18 PM
And by core books he actually means the SRD, so some psionics are available as well.

cplmac
06-19-2009, 08:14 AM
This would be fun to do. The trick is finding a team to go through the dungeon with. If there would be 4 characters, I would think that you would want a team that has 1 each: fighter, magic user, cleric, and thief. Although each class has variations available from the basic type.

nijineko
06-19-2009, 10:31 AM
is this going to be pbp or chat?

Soft Serve
06-19-2009, 02:10 PM
I'm running this chat. PBP is a little slow and hard to keep up with for me and I only have a month of guaranteed internet time before I move back to IN.
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This would be fun to do. The trick is finding a team to go through the dungeon with. If there would be 4 characters, I would think that you would want a team that has 1 each: fighter, magic user, cleric, and thief. Although each class has variations available from the basic type.


it's up to the players now. 10th level gives way for prestige classes so I'm expecting crazy combinations and good teamwork out of the allowed customization.

keeperofjunk
06-19-2009, 05:45 PM
Im in

Panthro82
06-20-2009, 04:57 AM
I might be interested in trying this as well. I kind of like the challenge of just being given a character already made and I just have to work with what I have

nijineko
06-20-2009, 12:19 PM
sigh. maybe next time then. that or i'll actually start up the competition independently one of these days. maybe after i get a job... speaking of which, i have one promising prospect that i would really love to do. legoland is hiring model builders. getting paid to build lego models sounds like a dream job to me. =D

Soft Serve
06-20-2009, 01:16 PM
I might be interested in trying this as well. I kind of like the challenge of just being given a character already made and I just have to work with what I have

I've decided to let players make their own 10th level chars. 35 Attribute points and SRD rules only. If you want I can still make one for you, just tell me what class you want.


sigh. maybe next time then. that or i'll actually start up the competition independently one of these days. maybe after i get a job... speaking of which, i have one promising prospect that i would really love to do. legoland is hiring model builders. getting paid to build lego models sounds like a dream job to me. =D

PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO THAT FOR A LIVING?!?

Screw the italian resteraunt down the street...


--- Merged from Double Post ---


I have updated the rules for mroe definition.

For participants you can make your own character that must fit these requirements.


Level 10 MAX. For every level you make under 10 you earn 5 points. (So going in lv8 is an extra 10 pts)
50,000 GP to spend. You may keep GP from Char Gen for points. (100GP = 1PT)
35 Attribute Points. All attributes start at 8 and you can add 35 points to those totals using the Point Buy rules in the PHB 3.5. You must use at least 30 pts, but for every one you don't use you gain +5VP to the end tally.
Character Generation Rule Edits

SRD Rules.
All psionic classes and races.
Warforged, Shifters, and Changelings are allowed.
If you can afford it, you may purchase any two items from the Magic Item Compendium.
The Definitive Victory Points...thing.


For every trap disarmed, or triggered intentionally with no DMG result is +1 VP. You cannot trigger a trap UNINTENTIONALLY, somehow manage to take no DMG (either by reflex or fortitude saves) and earn these points. This rule is set for people who will find a trap then set it off from a safe distance.
For every trap set off (Unintentionally) is a -1VP penalty. Weather it deals damage or not is insignificant to VP Tallys.
Every 100 GP is 1VP. You may keep GP from Character Generation to add to your VP total at the end. This means going in with less equipment then normal for a bonus to your VP tally.
Death is -10 VP. No matter what the circumstances. If an ally turns around and blasts you in the back of the skull with an enchanted arrow on accident it's still -10VP when it kills you.
Going in shorthanded by one player is +10VP. 3 is the bare minimum of allowed players.
Going in having used less attribute points in Char Gen then the alloted amount gains you +5 VP per point left over. You must use at least 30pts in Char Gen however.
--- Merged from Double Post ---



And the updated players list is...








People Available
Panthro
Q-Man
Lucian-Sunaka
DarkKaiser
Rklautzer
Trialbyfireent
PlattevilleGamer
Captain Glycerin
Full Teams
Cplmac, Thoth-Amon, KeeperofJunk, Khaotyk
Aeval, Harley. <STILL NEEDS ONE MORE MEMBER AT LEAST>
Trialbyfireent <NEEDS TWO MORE MEMBERS AT LEAST>
Lucian-Sunaka <NEEDS TWO MORE MEMBERS AT LEAST>
People who showed interest
Crossroads Wonderer
Crew
Myself (DM, Dungeon Design)
Nijinko (Trap Design)

Captain_Glycerin
06-21-2009, 08:14 PM
I'd be willing to play.

Soft Serve
06-22-2009, 12:41 AM
Two things. First off thank you Captain Glycerin all those merging for double posts was annoying.

and second.

According to peoples schedules...

Panthro, Klautzer, Platt, and Captain Glycerin are available to game on fridays at 8.

Everyone else but DarkKiaser and Trialbyfireent and the already organized team are available on weekends at 8 or later.

As for DK and Trial your schedules are strange or empty. So yeah.

But the way this is looking is having cplmac's team play sometime this week. (hopefully the other teams organized by then.) the next team playing the following week and so on.

The bad news is that it's still nowhere near that organized yet and this is all me just spitballing ideas at whoever reads them.

nijineko
06-22-2009, 02:51 AM
right, i'll start cranking out a list of traps, and you get me that map, so i can... customize. >=D

i'll leave the final placement to you, of course, though i may make some suggestions. ^^ do we get the victory points they lose? just a thought.... the party loses enough overall, then the 'dungeon' wins by points? heheheheh.

Panthro82
06-22-2009, 03:56 AM
nooo not available fridays. Fridays reserved for my tabletop group.

yukonhorror
06-22-2009, 09:40 AM
as mentioned in chat, I have expressed some interest. I had a thought though. For ease of scheduling, could a team be made up of 2 players each with two characters??

Soft Serve
06-22-2009, 03:36 PM
nooo not available fridays. Fridays reserved for my tabletop group.

Ok, I was going by the schedules you've fileld out on your P&PG profile.


as mentioned in chat, I have expressed some interest. I had a thought though. For ease of scheduling, could a team be made up of 2 players each with two characters??


I hadn't thought of that, but yes I would accept that. BUT If one player loses both of his/her characters the other will be forced to forfeit one so they can continue play.

yukonhorror
06-22-2009, 05:45 PM
I hadn't thought of that, but yes I would accept that. BUT If one player loses both of his/her characters the other will be forced to forfeit one so they can continue play.

What prey tell do you mean??

Soft Serve
06-22-2009, 07:21 PM
player A controls characters X-Y

player B controls characters Z-W

Characters Z & W die.

Player A will forfeit either X or Y to player B's control.

Any questions? :)
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ALSO addressing the Magic Item Compendium limit.

If you buy an item that works once a day (or similar charge limitations) from the MIC you are allowed to buy more of the same item.

The 2 item limit means 2 Different Items, not 2 items in general.

cplmac
06-23-2009, 01:14 PM
I am assuming that getting a weapon or armor made magical would count as a magical item, just like buying a ring.

Soft Serve
06-23-2009, 04:12 PM
Yeah. And you'll pay full cost from whichever-book-it's-in's rules. (PHB or DMG can't remember)

Soft Serve
06-26-2009, 08:58 PM
Ok I've given you some time to get organized. The first game is tomorrow night (Lucian's group) so wish them luck. Or curse them. Whichever.

I'm not going to be able to run this past July for sure. Going into late july is probably not going to happen, so what I'm trying to say is get organized into teams if you aren't and get a schedule set up.

Lucian-Sunaka
07-03-2009, 01:30 PM
Just wanted to congratulate Conrad/Cynic. You did very well for what you had to work with, your partners quitting and all. Congrats on the great effort.

Also....BUMP:peace:

Panthro82
07-03-2009, 11:28 PM
Soft, this Sunday doesn't seem like it will work for my group. Aeval won't be around. I will PM you about a possible date this coming up week!

Soft Serve
07-03-2009, 11:31 PM
No problem and thanks for the bump. :)

Panthro82
07-03-2009, 11:32 PM
sorry! It looked like it was gonna work and then Aeval Pm'ed me today! We are working on a backup date and the following Sunday might also be in the mix as well

Soft Serve
07-03-2009, 11:34 PM
Again it's NP. haha

cplmac
07-06-2009, 09:11 AM
With schedules and everything, I have a 10th level dwarf fighter ready and can run it with a group that better matches with my work schedule if need be. Although it would be great to just be able to find a fourth to go with Khaotyk, Thoth, and myself.

Soft Serve
07-06-2009, 09:16 AM
With schedules and everything, I have a 10th level dwarf fighter ready and can run it with a group that better matches with my work schedule if need be. Although it would be great to just be able to find a fourth to go with Khaotyk, Thoth, and myself.

Worse coming to worse the three of you can go and take the undermanned points.

Captain_Glycerin
07-06-2009, 07:26 PM
When's the next round, and should I PM you my character?

Soft Serve
07-06-2009, 08:17 PM
When's the next round, and should I PM you my character?

You should find a group first off. Then PM me your character. The next game is up in the air but I think it will be cplmac's tomorrow.

cplmac
07-10-2009, 09:47 AM
Well, suddenly it is as if the other members of the group that I was supposed to do this with have disappeared. I do have a 10th level dwarf fighter ready to go, so if someone is in need of another player, and my schedule meshes with the rest of the group, I could run through with another group.

Lucian-Sunaka
07-10-2009, 11:58 AM
You know what, I'm going to take a little initiative here. Expect to be getting PM's people.
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Except you Soft, your not cool enough to get PM's from me (kidding lmao)

Soft Serve
07-10-2009, 12:18 PM
you know what, i'm going to take a little initiative here. Expect to be getting pm's people.
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except you soft, your not cool enough to get pm's from me (kidding lmao)

good! :'(

Panthro82
07-10-2009, 12:19 PM
i'm having that problem with my group too. They have disappeared.

Lucian-Sunaka
07-10-2009, 04:36 PM
Well, Aeval and Harley have been around the past two days. Yukon I haven't seen for a while, send them all a PM dude, you guys have to be organized to get things going. (Our team wasn't very organized but at least it was enough so that I was able to push them to make the time lol)

Panthro82
07-10-2009, 04:40 PM
I sent a PM to Aeval to let me know what character she was gonna use and I have gotten no response. I might have to PM her again. Want to finally play this dungeon!

Lucian-Sunaka
07-10-2009, 05:06 PM
Well, if all else fails, Mac's got a char ready to challenge it, and I'm sure at least one of the others would like to join the two of you.