PDA

View Full Version : Which Movie Is Better???



Panthro82
05-13-2009, 12:04 AM
Okay so I haven't really been to the movies much at all in the past year, but the summer lineup always makes me make a point of getting there. This question is about this summers first 2 blockbuster films to come out so far. So here it is. Which movie is better? X-Men Origins:Wolverine or Star Trek? Why?





I've seen both and I can say honestly and easily, even though I am a huge X-Men fan, the new Star Trek movie is hands down better. I am not a very big Star Trek fan and never really have been, but this movie is completely awesome! Both movies are great flicks, but if you're only gonna see 1 in the theaters and you cant decide. I will save you some time....GO SEE STAR TREK!!!

Moritz
05-14-2009, 08:01 AM
X-Men ruined my childhood memories.

Star Trek helped me move on from the, "My....God....Spock....I'm....The....Most.....Incre dible.....Captain.....Ever!"

templeorder
05-14-2009, 08:16 AM
Being a fan of both, ST wins. I have the original Weapon X comics and Barry Windsor-Smith is one of my favorite artists of all time... so Wolverine just peed all over that. Bad Wolverine! *swat*

Panthro82
05-14-2009, 12:20 PM
lol I don't think it was horrible. I did like the Wolverine movie, but Star Trek was sooooo much better. What a great movie I am itching to see it again

Valdar
05-15-2009, 11:01 AM
Both were good movies that will piss off a lot of fans by diverging sharply from the source material. Star Trek had the decency to explain it though- as Uhura says in a bridge scene, "An alternate universe". Which is a pretty common thing in Star Trek, so I feel they satisfied their obligations to the fans without having to make the same sort of movie that killed the franchise.

Spoilers ahead yo.

Wolverine had no such decency. The supporting characters were so radically altered that some of them could be argued to not have made an appearance on the big screen yet. Was that supposed to be Emma Frost? She was named Emma, blond, and could transform into diamond, but her sister was Native, she didn't seem to be a telepath, and when the writers were actually justified in having a gorgeous, scantily-clad woman on screen, they cast someone with a hard-angled face, gave her a short haircut and put her in prison fatigues. Did the people who made this movie actually read a comic book at some point ever?

Sabertooth being Wolverine's brother is another doozy. It's a working formula for comic book movies these days- instead of wasting time on the villain's origin, give him the same origin as the hero- Iron Man fights Iron Monger. Hulk fights Abomination. Wolverine fights Sabertooth. But it's getting old. Hopefully, if the Avengers movie gets made, the team won't just be squaring off against mirror images of themselves...

Panthro82
05-15-2009, 02:11 PM
Sabertooth being Wolverine's brother is another doozy. It's a working formula for comic book movies these days- instead of wasting time on the villain's origin, give him the same origin as the hero- Iron Man fights Iron Monger. Hulk fights Abomination. Wolverine fights Sabertooth. But it's getting old. Hopefully, if the Avengers movie gets made, the team won't just be squaring off against mirror images of themselves...

It is actually never proven that they aren't brothers in the comic book. And the new writers have eluded to the notion as being true. The original idea was that Sabertooth was Wolverines father in the comic books, one comic in which Sabertooth actually states that Wolverine will become what Sabertooth is and he knows that because he is Wolverines father. There was testing in a later comic that revealed that they werent father and son, but that they did share a genetic similarity(related). It has never been delved into, but there are writers tied to the project that say there is something to the brother notion...

DM_Running_Farland_3.5
05-16-2009, 09:27 PM
Sorry to dissappoint everyone, but I must go with The Princess Bride.

Panthro82
05-16-2009, 09:30 PM
that is a classic. I havent watched that in a while

DM_Running_Farland_3.5
05-16-2009, 09:31 PM
In a while? What are you talking about? It just came out on Friday.

I'll tell you what, that Andre the Giant guy is awesome! He should do MMA.

Panthro82
05-16-2009, 09:33 PM
yea well he might be doing MMA in the sky

Skunkape
05-17-2009, 09:51 AM
I have to agree that Trek was the best of the two. While I'm not that familar with the Wolverine origin, I know that it was changed, but they changed Trek as well.

Course, when I go to a movie that is made from a book or some other source, I don't expect the people doing the movie to follow the source to the letter. But even though I like the Trek movie better, I'm more disturbed by the changes to it than I am by Wolverine.

One thing that would have won more points for me with Trek would have been a better engineering section of the ship. It bothered me the most that you have this 23rd century looking bridge, but then you go down to the engine room and it looks to me like a 19th to 20th century ocean going ship!:D

Panthro82
05-17-2009, 01:34 PM
lol I noticed that too Skunk! It was like the set designers got tired after the bridge and they were like, "huh? the engine room? ugggggh! just throw something together quick"

Killwatch
06-09-2009, 12:44 AM
I am going to say Trek. Not because it was awesome but because the wolverine movie was increasingly flawed
1) Sabertooth apparently gets stupid as the series progresses
2) Again Wolvie is too tall
3) Victor CREED
4) Deadpool can teleport says what?
5) How did they know the bullet was going to erase his memories and not just scramble his brain into yoke?

Valdar
06-09-2009, 12:15 PM
5) How did they know the bullet was going to erase his memories and not just scramble his brain into yoke?

It did scramble his brain into yolk. Then it grew back, but the memories don't grow back.

It's a good thing he was shot in the "specific memories" section though, and not the "basic motor skills" section or the "can speak English" section... It would have sucked for him if he forgot how to talk or stand up...

Panthro82
06-09-2009, 12:17 PM
but as a mutant with the special power of regeneration would it have truly mattered in which part of his brain he was shot? Regardless of where the bullet went, his brain would have regenerated anything that was damaged. His memory was the only thing that could have been dramatically affected.

Valdar
06-09-2009, 04:52 PM
But if he lost all his memories, that would mean that he'd have to have forgotten English too.

Panthro82
06-09-2009, 11:44 PM
possibly. i dont think stan lee thought that far into it though. :)

Killwatch
06-10-2009, 02:58 AM
Stan Lee made him a man of mystery, which made him really popular. But then after 30 years we started answering the questions which only made more questions and caused problems with time lines

Star Trek wasn't in the normal time line so any discrepencies in who did what to who is easily solved by saying "diferent universe"

Herr_Alvaro
07-14-2009, 07:26 AM
Star Trek is way better... why?,
well because Wolverine sucks.
Allow me to elaborate; the new X-Men movie shows a lot of characters and develops none, shows a docile and almost funny/gay Logan which is not the character we love, has a crapy story, especial effects that seems made with windows paintbrush. I was very disapointed by this one.
Star Trek on the other hand has a great story and althought the actors are to my liking not the best choices for the characters they play they work vey well. Visually impressive. Now its on my top 3 Star Trek movies.

Best regards

Panthro82
07-14-2009, 03:26 PM
I would go as far as saying top 2 Star Trek movies of all-time if not the number 1! I didn't think the Wolverine movie completely sucked, but it definitely wasn't made for people who avidly read the comics.

Skunkape
07-15-2009, 07:46 AM
I would go as far as saying top 2 Star Trek movies of all-time if not the number 1! I didn't think the Wolverine movie completely sucked, but it definitely wasn't made for people who avidly read the comics.

Whenever I go to see a movie that's based on a comic or is a reboot, I always try and consider the movie to be a story in it's own right and consider the characters/story of the movie changed to protect the original!:biggrin:

That way, I get to enjoy another view of a similar story, but don't expect the movie to follow the original in any way. So far, I haven't been disappointed.:biggrin:

Panthro82
07-18-2009, 02:04 PM
Yea I try to do the same thing as well Skunk. Sometimes it doesnt work out though.

korhal23
07-18-2009, 02:49 PM
4) Deadpool can teleport says what?


Deadpool CAN teleport. It's just a gadget, not a mutant power. It was still depressing though cuz I'm a huge Deadpool fan. That said, Ryan Reynolds did a good job as Wade in the beginning, so here's hoping his spinoff movie won't suck.

CEBedford
07-19-2009, 08:46 AM
I'm going to say Star Trek which is the one I didn't get a chance to see.

Panthro82
07-22-2009, 10:39 PM
Deadpool CAN teleport. It's just a gadget, not a mutant power. It was still depressing though cuz I'm a huge Deadpool fan. That said, Ryan Reynolds did a good job as Wade in the beginning, so here's hoping his spinoff movie won't suck.

Yea I am a big Deadpool fan as well and am hoping the same. Only thing I didn't like about the beginning was him splitting a bullet and killing two guys with it! Seriously? Besides that though his personality was spot on by Ryan.

Arkhemedes
07-22-2009, 11:40 PM
I would go as far as saying top 2 Star Trek movies of all-time if not the number 1! I didn't think the Wolverine movie completely sucked, but it definitely wasn't made for people who avidly read the comics.
Just to be clear here, which Star Trek movie is it that you think is number one?

Panthro82
07-23-2009, 12:54 AM
Just to be clear here, which Star Trek movie is it that you think is number one?

The new one. It is close, but I really enjoyed it.

Arkhemedes
07-23-2009, 07:05 AM
The new one. It is close, but I really enjoyed it.
I agree, but I guess what I'm asking is which Stat Trek movie would be in competition with the new one for the number one Star Trek movie (in other words, the number two Star Trek movie).

korhal23
07-23-2009, 07:11 AM
Yea I am a big Deadpool fan as well and am hoping the same. Only thing I didn't like about the beginning was him splitting a bullet and killing two guys with it! Seriously? Besides that though his personality was spot on by Ryan.

Meh, it was a neat sequence. Not exactly Deadpool, but screw it, I'll take it.

Sascha
07-23-2009, 10:16 AM
I agree, but I guess what I'm asking is which Stat Trek movie would be in competition with the new one for the number one Star Trek movie (in other words, the number two Star Trek movie).
Galaxy Quest, naturally~ :P

Panthro82
07-23-2009, 03:19 PM
I would have to say Star Trek II: Wrath Of Khan (Which I heard incidentally is the rumored villain in the next movie)

Arkhemedes
07-23-2009, 03:29 PM
I would have to say Star Trek II: Wrath Of Khan (Which I heard incidentally is the rumored villain in the next movie)
Argh! I knew you were going to say that. I must be the only who thinks that was the worst of all the Star trek movies!


<I say that as I start dodging the shoes being hurled at my head.>

Panthro82
07-23-2009, 03:31 PM
I don't know I thought it was awesome. I like the original Star Trek movie as well though. The newer ones(up until this most recent one) I didn't get as into for some reason.

Arkhemedes
07-23-2009, 03:37 PM
I liked the first one as well. Although it loses some of its shine if you see it more than once. Most Trekkies however, think the first one is the worst one with the possible exception of Nemesis, which I also liked.

Panthro82
07-23-2009, 03:42 PM
yea I liked Nemesis too

korhal23
07-27-2009, 07:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ

Only tangentially related, but it amused me.

Vodka
08-01-2009, 03:33 PM
Wolverine Origins had Dudepeel. Star Trek wins by default.

Panthro82
08-10-2009, 06:09 PM
I love the X-Men comics. Even can put aside my fandom and overlook the things they change and screw up and still thoroughly enjoy all the movies(yes, even the 3rd one). There were even parts of the Wolverine movie I really enjoyed, but it was definitely trying to appeal to the teenage to early twenties non comic reading audience. Flashy action and mostly naked wolverine throughout. I think the new Star Trek didnt alienate their longtime fans nearly as much as the Wolverine movie did.

Mudgrubber
08-10-2009, 08:05 PM
It took me 3 viewings of the new Star Trek movie to decide I liked it!

I did not like "blue sky on Vulcan", Chekov, or the Romulans. I did like the actor who portrayed Bones McCoy. I think he should get honorary mention for portraying the character true to Deforest Kelley. The actor for young Spock deserves some praise, and finally we get to see how Kirk reprogrammed the Kobayashi Maru scenario to be winnable. Learning that Spock is the one who came up with the program was great. I also have to agree that, by placing it in an alternate universe, made it acceptable. The only reason Spock (Prime) was included was to give it a link to the original, which I felt was unnecessary.

If you want to make a new movie in an alternate universe based on Trek, some of the designs must stay true to Gene Roddenberry's vision. After he passed on, I believe those who took over, after a time, got away from that vision which is why the franchise waned.

Dytrrnikl
08-07-2011, 05:26 AM
Argh! I knew you were going to say that. I must be the only who thinks that was the worst of all the Star trek movies!


<I say that as I start dodging the shoes being hurled at my head.>

Well, I don't think it's the worst ST of all time, for me the worst is tied between Generations and #5. As for the best Trek movie, another tie between #6 The Undiscovered Country and the reboot.

Sascha
08-07-2011, 09:34 AM
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s36/gray_sascha/khaaaaaaaaaaan.jpg